PrisonPlanet mod banned by 'Sane'

Jerry9105 said...

FYI -- I was a moderator on that site and found myself suddenly banned by in-SANE also. Reason as I understood it had to do with me expressing myself about UFO's (I believe) and such, and the next thing I knew -- BANNED. I asked for my $$ back and got it and never went back.

1/26/2010 4:39 AM

Sorry to hear you got censored by (in)Sane Jerry.

Welcome to the club.

Banned at TruTV Forum

You have been banned for the following reason:
spam advtg. his site plus most posts are to start trouble
Date the ban will be lifted: Never

Let's see here, you can post links to other people's sites for information for a debate, but posting links to your own non-commercial site for the same reason is a no no. Apparently one of those unwritten rules.

And most of my posts there were to "start trouble." That's weird, most of my posts were about 9/11 being a conspiracy that I posted in TruTV's forum section called CONSPIRACY THEORY WITH JESSE VENTURA.

And what's really funny is right before they banned me, I just reported two posts from skeptic trolls for -- guess? -- that's right, them starting trouble (as to be expected from your average JREF skeptic troll).

Getting banned there is harsh. They delete all of your posts. Just ask skeptic troll "Deelite." =)

Lucky for me though, the first person to respond in my Flight 93 crash hoax thread (currently the 3rd highest viewed thread) just happened to quote my entire original post. Whew.

(Update: 01/17/10) TruTV's censoring moderator "Coldwater" obviously didn't like this blogpost and has further censored me:

01-17-2010, 11:41 PM
Coldwater
Moderator

All "killtown" posts and any who quoted him have been removed. If you want to continue to discuss this with him go to his site he was advertising.

Yay censorship!


See also:

• Banned from
  

Banned at PoliticalForum.com

You have been banned for the following reason:
No reason was specified.

Date the ban will be lifted: Never

Well this was a surprise . . . sorta. (I guess I shouldn't be surprised about getting banned out of the blue considering how moderators love to censor me).

I saw some skeptics trashing me over there and decided to log in and that's when I saw that they banned me (funny the skeptics never get banned for their personal attacks!).

As you can read, no reason was specified. I did try to create a thread a couple of weeks ago about The Boeing 757 Challenge regarding the non-plane crash at Shanksville, but it had to be "pre-approved" and obviously never got approved.

Hard to believe that would be a reason to ban me there for life.



See my banned from list.

Banned by 'free speech advocate' Krisboro

"You're either for free speech or you're not" - Krisboro (08/01/08)

"Free-speech advocate" Krisboro just, um... banned me:

Krisboro runs jackbloodforum.com, created for Jack Blood (although Jack has no control over it), that has become increasingly a joke. He advocates "free speech" over there, but bans people he disagrees with, yet allows trolls like Looger, Rob "piece of" Bishop, and stallion4 to go hog-wild with their immature comments, personal attacks, and even suggestions of killing one's self.


Case in point, No-Planer "Lord Tsukasa" had been reassured by admin Dr.No. that he was free to discuss NPT there:

you have got it right, you are free to discuss these ideas here,
without fear of being banned or censored ....

However a couple of months later and after repeated attacks by the trolls, Lord Tsukasa and a couple of No-Planers were banned by Krisboro for discussing NPT:

Reason given for ban: Don't need the hassle... You guys have your own place to dicuss your theories, I suggest you go there instead.

I had asked Krisboro to un-ban these No-Planers who were told that they were safe to discuss NPT. As expected, Krisboro said no. I then start suggesting that Jack Blood should not allow that forum who bans people after they are told they won't be and who allow trolls to go hog-wild to use his good name.


A couple of months ago, I had sent Krisboro a PM asking him to get rid of some of the trolls like "Looger" who seem to do nothing but attack and insult people. Krisboro then posted my Personal Message to him on the forum to try to show "HankXavier" that I'm not for "free speech":

From: Killtown [ Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:20 pm ]
To: krisboro

quasi says you're the Admin to come to.

Can you get rid of Looger? The guy is nothing but a troll. See in this thread:

"Anybody else always get banned on Prisonplanet forums?"

Would appreciate it.

First of all, Krisboro is right! I'm not for "free speech" on private truth forums. "Free speech" means that people can post personal attacks, slander people, be condescending, etc on a forum without fear of being banned. That kind of speech has been something I've always opposed to be allowed on truth forums.


In Krisboro's reply to my PM, he essentially says he won't ban people like "Looger" because he's an advocate of "free speech" and the forum he runs in Jack Blood's name is a place for "free speech":

Re: Looger

From: krisboro [ Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:32 am ]
To: Killtown

Hey man,
I'm not going to "get rid of" anyone, especially not a regular board member like Looger, just on the say so of you.
Looger happens to be a good friend of mine and is anything but a troll.
You cry all over web forums that you are censored and banned from forums for your opinion, but then you advocate I do the same on my board just because you don't like what he has to say?

Get real dude...

You're either for free speech or you're not (in which case you're in the wrong place)

Krisboro is being a hypocrite in ever sense of the word by claiming to be for "free speech," but then bans people for speech he doesn't like. As Krisboro himself said: "You're either for free speech or you're not."


But what's even more despicable than Krisboro's hypocrisy on free-speech is that he allows trolls to post the most vile thrash at the Jack Blood Forum.


Recently, No-Planer "sparkoflife" starts posting over there. Well-known troll Rob Bishop then replies to sparkoflife "Why... won't... you... people... die?!" along with a follow-up pic that advocates for him to commit suicide.


I then start a thread to show everyone how the forum has become a joke by censoring people for their theories, but tolerate trolls who suggest people like No-Planers should die (imagine the uproar by planehuggers if a No-Planer suggested that planehuggers should "die") and to call on Jack Blood to not let them use his good name, for such a joke of a forum, or to get new admins.


Admin "Dr. No." then responds by calling me "pathetic" and suggests that my standing up to the despicable admin over there is just one of my "little games." I called him out to explain what he thinks my "little game" is, but like a coward, he never does explain.


The funny thing is that you'd think the reason Krisboro banned me was because of me calling out his despicable actions as admin and calling for Jack Blood to disassociate with that forum if that's what kind of forum Kriboro is going to run in Jack's good name, but from the looks of it, Krisboro doesn't ban me for that, but for calling well-known troll Rob Bishop what he is; a POS. Go figure.

A plea to Jack Blood:

Jack, I urge you for the sake of your good name to do what you can to get mature and non-censoring admins to control that forum in your name, or to ask for your good name to not be associated with that forum that has become a joke.


See my banned from list.

Banned at Sherdog forum

Well add one more place to the list of troll-ridden forums with mods that don't follow their own rules.

I created a thread at one of my favorite MMA sites, Sherdog, about my article Why They Didn't Use Planes To Hit The WTC in the appropriate political section called The War Room:

Gun-toting neocon? Tree-hugging lib? Duke it out in the War Room.

After posting it, the trolls came out of the woodworks:

"go into the kitchen, grab a steak knife and stab yourself in both testicles." - IrishBeatDown

"Some people are dumb enough to have a talent for completely disregarding solid evidence in favor of asinine theories." - AlphaDelphic

"killtown get you a piece of toilet paper. put it on top of your head. look in the mirror and say. im a peice of dirt im a piece of dirt. till ya relize its so" - smasheroffaces

"Killtown also belongs to the flat earth society." - bruce_campbell

After 7 pages of insults by the trolls, a mod there moved my thread to their hidden section, The Dump, without explanation. It's unknown if they moved it there because of all the trolls, or for political reasons. If they moved it there because it became infested with trolls, sad that the mods caved into the trolls and moved my thread instead of "moving" them.

I then started another thread in The War Room about Simon Shack's video, Nosed Out:

It ended up in The Dump too after, to no one's surprise, the trolls came a trollin':

"your retarded, so was 9-11 faked so bush junior could finish what his father started then? god i hate conspiricy theorists." - Nothus

"A laughing matter...much like ALL of your bullshit theories." - Jackson81

"I think the "TV Fakery" folk are the A-grade of 911 Truther retard. " - Ruprecht

It even brought out a planehugging truther:

"People, when I claim to be a 9/11 Truther, don't immediately group me in with the threadstarter and his crazy fucking friends." - Jin-Roh

(No, Genghis isn't my friend anymore.)

And then, you guessed it:

Sad to see Sherdog helps to feed the stereotype that fighting fans are mostly close-minded, reactionary, meat-heads. Well, I'll still love the sport of MMA regardless.

And the list of censoring sites keeps growing, and growing, and...

BlogTalkRadio censors 9/11 conspiracy talk after Killtown interview

(Update 05/13/08: BlogTalkRadio's response.)

I was on Vyzygoth's internet radio show yesterday talking about various 9/11 conspiracy topics.

Vyzygoth's show is powered by BlogTalkRadio.

Vyzygoth sent out an email after the show saying that BlogTalkRadio deleted Vyzygoth's account afterwards and is apparently not going to allow any future talk of 9/11 conspiracies:

Date: Wed, 07 May 2008
From: "Vyzygoth"
Subject: Re: Radio Interview with Killtown 5/7/2008

Wednesday, May 7, on the weekly live show, I conducted an interview with Killtown about Flight 93 and other issues regarding 9-11, nothing untoward for me as you all may know.

The live show went on without a hitch, but was pulled from blogtalkradio.com to prevent replays and downloads.

The following e-mail was sent from one of the suits on that website to Jim, who runs the show for me. He, in turn, forwarded it to me.

Get used to this sports fans because this is the shape of things to come in the USSA.



The first entry is from Sweet (right), the italics are Jim's comments to me regarding his phone conversation with him on the follow up.

The show's content may be lost forever, but I'll do it again.

The live format will be lost, but I'll keep doing what I've been doing. I'd even ask that the show be spread as far and wide as possible to counter this censorship.

It's the old story: If the speech is unpleasant for some, eradicate it.

And this is what I-Man has been saying all along: Screw our Constitutional rights. We have none. Zero.

----------------------------------------------------------

Jim, please contact me after your show is completed this afternoon. We need to discuss the content you aired today and your previous shows.

John C Sweet

Director Customer Relations

BlogTalkRadio

----------------------------------------------------------

This was the email I got. Then I called them, and they said there will be no more 911 shows on their network.

Some of Vyzygoth's non-9/11 shows still show up at BlogTalkRadio.


See also:

• BlogTalkRadio Censoring 9/11 Truth - Corbett Report (05/10/08)
• BLOGTALK CENSORS VYZYGOTH - Uticans for 9/11 truth (05/08/08)
  

Banned at Randi Rhodes forum

The Randi Rhodes forum says their forum is provided to promote free speech.

The Randi Rhodes Show Message Forum Rules

SECTION 1: GENERAL RULES

1) This forum is provided to promote free speech and lively political discussion. Anyone is eligible to join. We do not discriminate on the basis of philosophical, political, or religious affiliation or opinion.

However, pinned at the top in their 9/11 section is a thread about forbidden websites and authors:

List Of Websites, Authors Not Acceptable for the RRMB

Posted by: Libertas Aug 10 2006, 10:27 PM

American Free Press
Christopher Bollyn
iamthewitness
Daryl Bradford Smith
judicial-inc
Republic Broadcasting Network
Michael Collins Piper
wsi.matriots
leftgatekeepers
Eric Hufschmid
Jeff Rense (Rense.com)
american defense league
whatreallyhappened.com

I thought they were being a hypocritical with their rules, so I questioned them on it. Admin "Libertas" apparently didn't like me questioning their hypocritical stance, so he closed my thread because "these websites are not open to discussion."

Doesn't "free speech" entail the ability to question authority?

So I started another thread entitled "So much for free speech" and just wrote "closed" in the body with that word linked to my thread Libertas closed to protest him closing my thread, but apparently Libertas wasn't amused so he took it upon himself to delete my thread and then banned me for helping to "promote free speech."

I'm really not surprised Libertas did this because he is biased towards skeptics. One of the biggest piece of shit skeptic there rarely posts without insulting or smearing truthers. I had complained numerous times to the admins about this POS skeptic's behavior, because his posts only provoked fights. Libertas had responded to my complaints saying he didn't see anything wrong with that POS skeptic's behavior. So I started responded to that POS skeptic that way he responds to truthers and almost immediatly I would get punished with having my posts require mod approval for a couple of days.

Libertas is a true hypocrite. The Randi Rhodes forum would be wise to de-admin him.



And the censorship list keeps growing and growing and...

Planehugger LUCUS wants to kick my ass

I was banned for no apparent reason from the TNRlive.com chatroom (again) after I was invited back by someone at TNRLive's MySpace:

I was then forwarded the following exchange by LUCUS, the "maker" of The Ultimate Con, in the chatroom that took place some time after I got the boot:

[LUCUS] 8:11 pm: I really do not like killtown
[calvin] 8:11 pm: yeah we notice that lucus
[LUCUS] 8:11 pm: and if I ever met him in person i would have a hard time not kicking his ass

"LUCUS"

Banned at "truth"action.org

So if you are a no-planer, don't admit that at "truth"action.org or they will ban you:

I asked "imgstacke" the censorer why he banned me and here is his reason:

On a side-note, imgstacke is one of those "truthers" who likes to yell "Shill!" a lot, so I asked him to give me a list of who the shills are and evidence that they are shills. Here's his response:

Then some admin there (most likely imgstacke) deleted my only thread which I guess was so against what this "activist" site is about:

And the list of censoring sites keeps growing.

Banned at PrisonPlanet forum

(Update: See who was the censoring culprit below.)

I Well it only took a matter of hours for me to get banned at PrisonPlanet's "anti-police state" forum.

I had saw some people over there mention how they liked my Shanksville research, so I figured I'd post my latest Hoodwinked at Shanksville video over there since I've never posted over there before.

I also saw some hot debates going on about the no-plane theory at the WTC, so I decided to post my Why They Didn't Use Planes To Hit The WTC article in the same section there because people who poo-poo NPT always ask "why not just crash a plane in the towers", think NPT is illogical, and since that forum had censored a pro-September Clues thread.

About an hour or so later I checked back on it and it was not there. I checked all the other sections thinking they might of moved it, but did not see it.

It became obvious that someone at that "bastion of truth and open-mindedness" forum had deleted my thread. So I decided to post it again in a "more appropriate" section:





I also added a little note at the bottom of my post addressed to the forum:

Then about an hour or so after posting that, I went back to check on it was greeted with:

They also deleted my thread again which I thought was pretty funny since I posted it in their section title this:

Faux Controversies/Immaterial Comments/OffTopic/Everything Else

Issues that are mostly outside the realm of this board, or topics that may attempt to hijack discussions on this Forum

They also deleted a reply of mine to this well known hater truthling who was slandering one of the few 9/11 truth forums that won't censor you for your theories: 911movement.org.

(Update) I just saw that I had received an email from the censoring culprit:

To: killtown@yahoo.com
Subject: New Personal Message: (No subject)
From: "PrisonPlanet Forum"
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007

You have just been sent a personal message by Sane on PrisonPlanet Forum.

The message they sent you was:

If you keep pushing COINTELPRO projects, you will be banned

Apparently this moderator "Sane" is becoming pretty infamous over there. I received this message from a PrisonPlanet forum member:

The mods her suck bro. Especially Sane. He pretty much deletes any post he does not agree with. The information on this sight is so filtered and bias it's ridiculous. Wile I dont agree with your post, I see what you mean about the mods.

Guess PrisonPlanet is right when they say there's a WAR on for your mind!

The latest tally of "truth" sites that censor.

Killtown forbidden to be linked to at Democratic Underground

Apparently if you link to my website at Democratic Underground, your post will be deleted and you might get banned.

Why? Apparently because my site "incorporates and endorses materials from sites and individuals either directly associated with or with a strong affinity towards hateful material and memes" and "included material from, links, and endorses from/to" certain sites DU has determined as "hate sites" which makes "killtown unacceptable for use":

Hmm, I guess that almighty mods at DU didn't see this at my links page:

Disclaimer: These links are put up for research purposes and your viewing pleasure. It doesn't mean this website agrees with or endorses all of them.

DU has been rumored to be infiltrated and favors skeptics who spend all their day trying to debunk 9/11 truthers. This can be clearly seen by how these skeptics get away with insulting truthers without being banned there:

"Some may think so and some may not, but for sure [Killtown is] a site that is anti-logic, anti-critical thought, and a place where stupid is strong, and woo is forever." - LARED

"Killtown spreads anti-Semitic lies such as the debunked nonsense of the "dancing Israelis in NYC on 9/11 who were Mossad spies." If you are not able to discern anti-Semitic and bigoted sources then that doesn't say much for your critical thinking skills." - Anarcho-Socialist

"To be a smear attack, what I said would have to be false. It's not. Also if Killclown was a DU'er I would not say what I did in order to live by DU's rules. KillClown is not a DU'er any longer for obvious reasons." - LARED

"Yes Killtown was a DU member. If my memory serves, he was spreading the "4000 Israelis warned to stay away on 9/11" story." - Anarcho-Socialist

"Killtown spreads CTs from anti-Semitic sources. He is either an anti-Semite or just too dumb to discern information from anti-Semitic sources." - Anarcho-Socialist

To the credit of DU, they are right about Whatreallyhappened.com posting hate speech.


(Update: 08/06/07) Sarcasmo calls out moderator Lithos.


See my banned from list.

Banned at WTCDEMOLITION.COM

(Update: See Witty Comic at bottom)

Yes I know, you're probably thinking that I'm just trying to get banned at every 9/11 conspiracy site, huh? But I swear I'm not.

I stumbled upon the blog site wtcdemolition.com just the other day and skimmed through it and saw that some of the posters there were posting about problems they have with 911blogger and Loose Change, so I figured I'll start posting there to see how the site is and that it might be a good site to vent what I see are the problems in the 9/11 truth movement among other things.

Well I sure got a nice welcome by one of the admins there after one of my first posts:

oh brotha
Submitted by gretavo on Wed, 2007-07-04 02:41.
~
Now, Killtown, I have to be frightfully honest here and tell you that I also consider you to be a mega-disinfo shill. I consider you part of the blatant disinfo crowd (the fake fake truth movement) that helps the subtle disinfo crowd (the real fake truth movement) pass itself off as the real truth movement.

Damn! Not only does he think I'm a shill, but a "mega-disinfo" shill! So now I think this admin is nothing but a dumbass for thinking that (and funny he says my no-plane at the Pentagon stuff got him into "hardcore truthing"!) and I continue to reply to him trying to make him see how dumb it is for him to say that about me, then the other admin at the site comes in and insults me too (albeit not as bad):

Oh, Killtown...
Submitted by casseia on Wed, 2007-07-04 04:09.

I know you've had a hard-knock life amongst the haters at 911b and the Loose Change forum, but here, even though gretavo is honest enough to say he thinks you're a shill, we still want to give you a puppy (or a kitten, if you prefer).

Translation: don't take that personally. Maybe you're disinfo, maybe gretavo is, maybe I am. We're grown-ups here and at least I take you seriously enough as a researcher that I'm interested in what you have to say even if some of it is crap. So relax, let your hair down, and don't come in here expecting (and thus eliciting) the kind of bad treatment you've gotten elsewhere.

I love when "grown-ups" call some of your research "crap"! Very "mature".

Then I posted about the haters that ruled the comments section at 911blogger and I get attacked by a hater. Casseia then edits into this hater's post:

EDIT: Hey, we're trying an experiment here -- an experiment in being CIVILIZED. Please save it for when Killtown actually says something you disagree with. (Chances are, you won't have to wait long :) --casseia

Ok get that (besides the jab at me), both admins insult me and yet they are trying to promote a "civilized" site at wtcdemolition.com. Then Casseia edits into my response to the hater:

EDIT: Killtown, please see above. Your part in the experiment is to chill about the haters elsewhere and see what happens here. The rage against the haters shtick gets old really fast. Thanks. --casseia

Ok remember that, she's can't stand my grievances with the haters in the truth movement.

So I start asking her if she's not bothered by the haters in the movement and here is her response:

No, I'm irked by the haters.
Submitted by casseia on Thu, 2007-07-05 18:37.

Please ignore the haters here and I'll ask them to refrain from hating. Now go blog about something like Val McClat-whatever and don't make me regret offering a pro-Killtown opinion to this blog's benevolent overlord.

Wow, she is really making me feel welcomed at their site.

Just before that exchange, I started a poll there asking what people think 911blogger should do about their comments section. I added a reply to my poll blog that the haters over at 911blogger prefer the old points system/mob rules method to moderate the comments section. Well I used the word "hater" in my post and apparently Casseia has a real big problem of me continuing to harp on the haters:

Okay, but please...
Submitted by casseia on Thu, 2007-07-05 18:20.

Your membership was approved here on the premise that you would have more to contribute than rage against the haters. I agree that you were treated unfairly, but why not blog about something interesting?

So me harping about the haters is not "interesting" to her, so she decides to start playing "Mom" and tells me to post about I guess "Casseia approved" subjects. This is funny because the only reason I started commenting about the haters at certain 9/11 sites was because I saw blogposts at their site harping about the same sites I was having problems with and mentioned that's why I posted about the haters:

Well most of the blogs here were about hater 9/11 sites
Submitted by Killtown on Thu, 2007-07-05 18:28.

such as 911blogger and LC, the sites that have been giving me most of my problems. What am I supposed to do, censor myself from posting in them?

Then Casseia plays "Mom" again:

BLOG ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE!
Submitted by casseia on Thu, 2007-07-05 18:40.

Are you so crippled by bitterness that you can't come to a new site and blog about something that has to do with 9/11?

So I responded:

Sorry casseia, I didn't see the site's rule that...
Submitted by Annoymouse on Thu, 2007-07-05 18:48.

when you first come here to not post about things that irks a particular admin here.

You know if there where blogs here about Val McClatchey or other non-hater related blogs that's in my current interest, I would have posted on them. Is it my fault that there just happened to be mostly blogposts on hater 9/11 sites when I just stumbled upon this site the other day?

Notice it said "Submitted by Annoymouse"? That's because they banned me before that post!



Ok, so by reading all that, you may walk away thinking I'm just being some kind of attention whore who just wants to stir trouble at forums and it's my fault that I got banned at wtcdemolition.com for not obeying one of the admin's wishes about me not posting about my grievances with some in the truth movement. Well that's all fine and dandy, but then why are the admins allowed to keep posting blogs about the people they have grievances in the movement?

Loose Change Boyz My Space Pages
Submitted by gretavo on Thu, 2007-07-05 20:32.
Dylan
Jason
Korey
My Space is owned by Rupert Murdoch--do they know this? Anyway, their pics look really cool and they have a ton of "friends".
They are rad.

I hate to be a divider and all, but...
Submitted by gretavo on Tue, 2007-07-03 07:16.

911Blogger Front Pages Video Featuring Mega-Disinfo Shill David Shayler
Submitted by gretavo on Thu, 2007-06-28 14:01.

Dylan, Jason, and Korey - Straw Men for Hire
Submitted by gretavo on Thu, 2007-06-28 03:20.

Subtle Disinfo Watch - Dem Bruce Lee Styles Casts 911Blogger as the Victim of No-Planer Smear Campaign
Submitted by gretavo on Mon, 2007-06-25 16:55.

Meanwhile, back at the shill ranch...
Submitted by gretavo on Fri, 2007-06-22 13:53.

Info About no911conspiracy.com
Submitted by gretavo on Thu, 2007-06-21 17:32.
The site is registered to a Catherine Valentino.
There is a city council member of Ithaca New York, a career Democrat, by that name.
Ithaca is 80 miles from Oneonta, where Loose Change is based.

Why DOESN'T DZ Ban Nico Haupt, aka Ewing2001 from 911Blogger?
Submitted by gretavo on Wed, 2007-06-20 17:03.

More Shenanigans at 911Blogger
Submitted by gretavo on Mon, 2007-06-18 00:49.

911 Blogger Happy to Promote Right Wing LIHOP Shills
Submitted by gretavo on Sun, 2007-06-17 23:39.

So seeing I can still post there as anonymous poster, I started pointing out the hypocrisy of their decision to ban me:












Did you see my posts pointing out their hypocrisy? No, because they deleted them.


Now since they see that they realized that they allow anonymous posts and that they fear I will continue to use their anonymous posting option to expose their hypocrisy, they then implement the same Draconian 911blogger measures that they were bitching about to prevent me doing this:

Anonymous posts to be moderated
Submitted by gretavo on Thu, 2007-07-05 23:36.

for the time being... fear not, registered users who are not in reality Killtown will never have their comments moderated. instead of arguing about a blatant disinfo disruptor, maybe people have thoughts about where the movement goes from here?

Nice. I should have know better about a 9/11 "truth" site that says this:

This site encourages discussion and analysis of news and facts surrounding the events of 9/11. We begin from the premise that many if not most aspects of the events have been lied about and/or covered up by the government and media. We discourage wild speculation not based on verifiable evidence, such as claims of "video fakery" with regard to the planes that struck the towers. We will not tolerate racist or otherwise bigoted comments, and in turn will not tolerate baseless charges of bigotry. Our desired goal is a provocative and informative resource for those who feel that the issue of 9/11 merits serious and thought-provoking discussion and debate.

Just think, if Mama Cass didn't try to dictate what subjects I can and cannot talk about, none of this drama would have happened.


Let me end this blogpost with a earlier comment from the Great Gretavo:

Killtown...
Submitted by gretavo on Thu, 2007-07-05 18:09.

If we ban you can we get free advertising on your site too? It's funny that you advertise for all the people who ban you so much. Why not just pretend they don't exist? I'm afraid your purpose is most likely to be to give them the credibility that comes from your obsession with dissing them. I also notice that this here blog is nowhere in your blog roll. Now, that's not a request, please understand. I just think it's funny that for a blog that is not important enough to list on your blog roll you chose it to come have these arguments with your "haters"...

Yes gretavo.




See more of my comics here and my banned from list.

Banned at "Truth"NetRadioLive.com

This is what happens when you point out hypocrisy at some "truth" movement sites:

Of course they will tell you a story they want to tell you. Just ask them why wouldn't a leader in the truth movement who started attacking me on the chat board answer why they called me a liar and said I didn't have my facts straight and ask the rest of the board why they wanted to sweep it all under the rug.

(Update) Read more about what happened at: 911movement.org


See my banned from list.

911Blogger.com is a joke

(Update 06/16/07: Podders now feeling the 'ripple effect' of the 911Blogger haters!)

I emailed the main admin at 911blogger, DZ, and asked him why I got banned there.

I finally heard back from him and here's the reason why they banned me:

Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007
From: "dz"
To: "Killtown"
Subject: Re: Banned at 911blogger today

Killtown,

Your account was blocked based on the community's feedback on your comments via our up/down comment moderation abilities. During the month of May approximately 93% (and since January approximately 90%) of your comments received negative ratings - with a cumulative total of comment scores near -450 since January 1st, 2007.

It is important that user moderation on our site be based on our community's feedback, and when a user receives such consistently low scores by the community then that feedback must be listened to, and that is the reason your account has been blocked.

p.s. Please forgive me for the delay in my response, I have been without an internet connection at home for about the last 1-2 weeks.

Best wishes,

-dz

So basically any group can have a bunch of their goons join and just sit their all day and vote the people they don't like down to eventually get them banned. Rich.


What if my "evil" no-planer friends and I all ganged up at 911Blogger and just sat there all day and selected negative marks on all the comments by the people who we think are planehuggers for the sole purpose of getting them banned? What would you think of 911Blogger if they allowed that to happen?


911Blogger is full of a bunch of hater "truthers" (see here) who hang out in the comments section and insult everybody they disagree with because they think they know what's best for the truth movement (if they are not just shills) and vote down people's comments not because they disagree with the comment, but because they simply don't like the person who made the comment. How do you think that makes the 9/11 truth movement look?


The comments section at 911Blogger is a big reason they are so popular. They get a lot of traffic and are probably one of the first 9/11 "truth" sites newbies will come across, so just think of what newbies will think of the truth movement if one of the first sites they come across is a site where mob rules and the mob that currently rules there act like immature little punk kids in which their insulting foul-mouth comments will be littered all over the site for the newbies to read.


If 911Blogger wants to have any credibility for their site, they need to either:

1. Select mature unbiased members to moderate their comments section in a professional manner, or
2. Close their comments section down

9/11 "truth" sites shouldn't block comments from other truthers, unless they support censorship.


See my banned from list.

Banned at AboveTopSecret, public execution style

One day after causing a firestorm over at AboveTopSecret.com by showing that the plane engine seen in the Shanksville crater was planted by a backhoe bucket, ATS bans me. But they didn't just ban me, they did a public banning of me (you'll have to copy/paste the URL in your browser because ATS redirected the link. Hmm.):

SkepticOverlord posted on 14-6-2007

A Public Banning Today...

A rare public banning today on ATS.

Normally we don't discuss bannings, but given recent events in our 9/11 Conspiracies forum, it seems appropriate to be open about this one.

After much consideration and discussion among our staff, it is with sincere regret that I announce the termination of ATS membership privileges for "killtown." This is unfortunate since, until recently, it has often been a benefit for our membership to have direct access to one of the early pioneers of vocal 9/11 conspiracy speculation.

Also, in what may be a first for us, off-ATS content and activity factored heavily in our decision to ban him. Many members may feel his on-ATS actions are cause for banning, but that's not where we focused our decision.

If you've been paying attention to this (9/11) forum, we appear to have become one of many "battle grounds" (as one member put it) in an escalating war of attention-seeking among competing "9/11 Truth" groups.

Killtown was exploiting the critical nature of ATS members by posting controversial theories here, participating minimally in responding to the critical discussion, then discussing his being "attacked" or "censored" on ATS via postings on other safe harbor websites. It appears as though we were being used as a means to build some kind of macho credibility that involved a series of false and insulting accusations directed toward ATS and our members that included "censorship," members as "shills," and everyone "aiding the perps."

Certainly, this is not the first nor the last bit of insulting criticism of ATS by conspiracy extremists. Typically, we've ignored it in favor of focusing on running ATS the way we feel is best for our members (must be working, we have lots of members & traffic). However, in this case, we saw the need to end what was becoming an escalation of abusive exploitation of fair and logical questions from our critical members.


-- IMPORTANT --

I want to add that this action in no way implies any desire to place limits of any kind on the topics that can be discussed in our 9/11 Conspiracies or other forums. Open and honest dialogue on any topic within the boundaries of our Terms & Conditions is what we have stood for, what we stand for now, and always will. Undoubtedly we'll see a cascade of off-site criticism and insulting rhetoric over this action... so be it. We stand by it as the proper choice in the best interests of our members and the flow of productive and civil discussion.

Hmm, I've never heard of ATS doing a public banning of a member and this public banning of me was supposedly a "rare" one, so I guess that means they've done this before (I'd be surprised if they actually did). Me thinks they purposely choose to hang me in front of everyone for political reasons.


Now I don't know about you, but doesn't publicly lynching a member at a conspiracy forum that's supposed to be about "finding the truth" like they just did to me and trying to "make an example out of him" (i.e. embarrass them) seem a tad unprofessional and ironic? I can't help but chuckle when I read ATS's mantra:

We are the Internet's largest and most popular community dedicated to the intelligent discussion and debate of "alternative topics" such as conspiracies, UFO's, paranormal, secret societies, and dozens of related topics.

With 111,936 members generating 3,169,838 posts of substance that cover 274,397 topics in 142 different discussion forums, you could say "the truth is in here."

The simple yet effective motto of our membership is "deny ignorance", which signifies an effort to apply the principals of critical thought and peer review to the provocative topics covered within.

And with a highly professional staff of 48 dedicated people, AboveTopSecret.com is renowned for enabling the discussion of nearly anything while insisting on polite civility and respectful decorum.

Back to the accusations against me, the first thing you'll notice is that "SkepticOverlord" failed to include any evidence to prove all his accusations against me. I guess you'll just have to take his word. The sad thing is, many ATS members have done just that (read the entire thread). Here's my favorite:

"I do not know the member that go banned and I already said that I was sure [it] was for a good reason." - marg6043

So since in America we are "innocent until proven guilty" (at least I hope we still are), I don't need to defend myself from SkepticOverlord's accusations against me. He needs to prove his allegations against me. Otherwise his accusations against me are nothing more than slander.


A couple members there voiced concern on that thread about my banning which I'm greatful for. I hope somebody there asks SkepticOverlord to prove his accusations against me though.


But if you want to see if I was the "bad guy" in all this, here is the main thread of mine that it is in my opinion called most of the ruckus against me:

Shanksville engine planted by a backhoe bucket? (theory)

You'll notice that I get attacked first and some members there try to derail the topic. Here's my favorite attack (and notice this member didn't get banned):

"You have posted fake imagery, used a misleading title, not provided any evidence, if you have or conspired in the hoax, you deserve not only banning, but arresting as well, it is treasonous and disrespectful and you have absolutely no evidence apart from fabricated images and hoplessly misinformed speculation of the saddest kind...
Do you like posting lies on here and posting about the reaction to it on other sites and Blogs to try and big yourself up? or trying to get yourself banned , so you look like you are getting somewhere, i see you have even been banned on Avery's site... wow, that must take something... you proudly wear that banning like a medal on your blog, do u want one from here as well, so you can show off your bannings of honour?.. your no planes BS will be the undoing of you, that is if there is anything??
You are discracefully using ATS to enhance your profile and that of your equally shady mates..
I hope you sell nothing of whatever you are thinking about releasing, or are you just a wannabee Killtown..
You seem to be pushing too far, you should be careful." - Fowl Play

You'll then notice that the thread was locked by the same mod who attacked me in that very thread. If you see posts by me that looked like I had attacked someone are was being rude to them, look at their post(s) that I was replying to and you can make up your own mind if I was justified with my responses.


I do admit I don't take being attacked well. If you punch me for no justifiable reason, I will punch you back and I might even kick you when you're on the ground to teach you a lesson for punching me in the first place without just reason. Also, I get attacked by posters all the time on forums and most of the forum admins don't do anything about these attackers, so I'm usually forced to retaliate and defend myself. Yeah yeah yeah, I should just "ignore them" if they are attacking me. Hey, I have my faults.


So the list of conspiracy forums that have banned me.


Remember:





If you're tired of conspiracy forums that censor people because of their theories, come join one of the few who won't:

www.911movement.org

My 'Shanksville planted engine' theory causing firestorm at ATS

Wow, late last night I posted a thread over at AboveTopSecret.com showing how the perps just used a backhoe bucket to plant that engine scrap seen in one of the Moussaoui trial pics:

I just checked out the thread and what a firestorm I've caused over there! There was already three pages to the thread when I went to their site. Many of the members over there (who seemed to have come out of the woodwork) are just hurling personal attacks, accusing me of disinformation and creating a hoax thread :

"What you suggest is total disinformation and seriously unhelpfull. You and your colleages are proving to be more than conspirators, you are posting out and out misinformation, bordering on traitorous lies." - Fowl Play

"More deceptive tactics from the "conspiracy fakery" crowd it would seem... we have shown these fraudulent Conspiracy Tycoons for what they are...disinformationists intent on discrediting all 9/11 conspiracy research efforts." - mister.old.school

"this is probably the most absurd "theory" that I've heard thus far." - elevatedone

"...if you spread to much unproven facts it will make people tired and in the end totaly ignore everything that can/could be proven." - Cygnific

"I've come to the conclusion that before I go into threads on 911 I am going to look to see who the original poster is....it will keep me from wasting 20 minutes of my time everyday." - cw034

"I will agree with others that this post is boardline hoax." - zerotime

But the kicker is when an ATS mod jumps in and insults me, accuses me of "making things us," edits the title of my thread, and I'm on "thin ice" at the forum:

"Killtown, in the future, please refrain from just making things up and presenting them as fact. I'm editing the title of this thread, and I'd also consider yourself on thin ice as far as this forum goes." - thelibra, Moderator

Great, now I get to walk on eggshells the rest of my time over at ATS.


This "unbiased" mod changed my thread title by adding a question mark at the end and emphasizing my post is a "theory":

Shanksville engine planted by a backhoe bucket? (theory)

Well all I have to say is that my thread about the perps planting that engine scrap in the Shanksville crater by simply lowering it down in the backhoe bucket must be right on the money for such a hostile reaction from all the members and even the mods!

AboveTopSecret.com latest to join censorship camp

AboveTopSecret.com has started to crack-down on no-planers:

[snip]


Due to member demand, the 9/11 forum is now under close staff scrutiny.

posted on 7-6-2007

Any inappropriate comments, insults, topic derailment, or trolling will result in immediate posting ban or account termination.

We've received an overwhelming number of member complaints since the topic of "TV Fakery" splashed on the ATS scene a few days ago. Most of the member complaints are dealing with the trollish nature of the new member(s) promoting these theories, and a handful of supporting characters.

Their original post actually named names (including me):

What we (staff and memebrs) have noticed about this group is that their individuals (namely, Rick Siegel, Jim Fetzer, Nico Haupt, Coffinman, bsregistration, Killtown , etc etc)

Their claim that the no-planers like me are spamming and trolling their forum is a joke. Read my rebuttal to their post here to see why.


For all the latest with the censorship at ATS, visit the forum that won't censor you for your theories: 911movement.org

Banned at 911Blogger

Ah, the censorship continues. Here's what appeared when I tried to log into 911blogger.com today:

First, no reason was given to me as to why I was banned. Second, it's amusing that they banned me, but they let people like this run rampant there:

"Shilltown" still at disinfo central? You doing overtime or something? I thought you got told to go clear your desk for being so ineffective and blatantly shill like. Consider what accessory after the fact means.
Submitted by Dem Bruce Lee Styles

Still pushing Disinfo For Retards (TM)
Use that line in your next bit of drivel.
Submitted by johndoraemi

Shilltown's (Web)Fairy Tales
Against my better judgment, I followed Killtown's claims about large passenger jets buzzing by the towers when the planes crashed. Unsurprisingly, the sourcing wasn't exemplary. There's only one source really...
The "Webfairy" is a fake image manipulator for many years now. It creates nonsense clips to get the gullible following up on pixels. It's a big waste of time and sanity, and Webfairy / terrorize.dk / Killtown has no credibilty left whatsoever.
Avoid like plague.
Submitted by johndoraemi


haha, of course you do! That way you and the other disinfo artists like Fetzer can go on posting your baseless disinfo garbage
Submitted by CattleRustler


Well, that's a new twist to your madness, isn't it Killtown!!
I truly believe this liability makes this stuff up as he goes along. Or is it his superiors who make it up?
9/11blogger: delete Killtown's link NOW!! pretty pweeze?
Submitted by TruthNow

So banned at the following 9/11 "truth" forums:


911Blogger.com

Democratic Underground

Lets Roll

Loose Change*

(*Technical I'm suspended until 2009 because Dylan Avery was too much of a coward to outright ban me.)

I wonder how many more "truth" sites I'll be banned from?


Like my signature avatar says:

For a 9/11 forum that won't censor you for your theories, visit: 911movement.org