Shanksville forest mostly burned after 9/11?

(Updated: 12/30/06)

“The trees beyond were still faintly smoldering but largely intact.” – Post-Gazette

Take a look again at the scope of the burnt forest section next to the fake crater in this FBI aerial taken on Sept. 12 that looks like it was taken sometime in the morning based on the shadows casted towards the west:

(Red dotted oval = fake crater. Blue dotted line = alleged flight path. Orange dotted line = small road. Green dotted line = forest damage)

I had previously speculated that all this fire damage resulted from something the military launched to crash on to the fake crater to simulate fire damage to it, but it accidentally bounced up off the ground and landed on this section of forest and that’s how some of the tops of the trees there got broken and how that section got burned even though it’s at a different trajectory from how we were told the alleged plane came in.

(Purple circle = left wingtip. Blue circle = vertical tail tip. Yellow circle = right wingtip. Red dotted line = trajectory of mystery object bouncing off fake crater and exploding into forest.)

However a couple things still stumped me about the burnt forest section:

1) How did that much of the forest catch on fire, but had reportedly stopped burning when the first people at the scene arrived 10-15 minutes after the explosion?

The only evidence of smoke still coming from above the forest is from this news clip.

2) How did that much of the forest catch fire without the ground below it catching fire?

See these photos that seem to illustrate this: photo 1, photo 2, photo 3

We never saw and there were no reports of any kind of forest fire like this even though a wall of jet fuel fire supposedly hit the forest from a plane crashing at a blistering 580mph:

Maybe there is an explanation to these anomalies. Maybe the section of burnt forest you see in the aerial photos did not initially have that much fire damage after whatever exploded there on 9/11, but perhaps was later set further on fire by the rescue crews (cover-up crews) at the scene, or burned some other way?

“Our goal right now is to preserve everything as it is for tonight,” Killeen said, adding that further investigation would continue in the morning.” - Daily Athenaeum (09/12/01)

Look again at that Sept. 12th aerial from the U.S. government’s site and look at how much of the forest was damaged and how some of the trees closest to the fake crater are thinned out and almost look removed:

Now look at this WTAE photo taken from a National Guard helicotper with PA's Gov. Tom Ridge on board that was taken after 6 p.m. on what looks like 9/11. See if you can see the extent of forest damage as in the above aerial or the proceeding aerials:

“Gov. Tom Ridge arrived about 6:15 p.m., flying over the crash scene in a National Guard helicopter before being briefed on the ground by state police.” – Post-Gazette

(Photo enlarged 100%. Red dotted oval = fake crater. Blue dotted line = alleged flight path. Orange dotted line = small road)

(Photo from Moussaoui trial [Hi-res]. Date taken unknown.)

(Above and below photos from usaattacked.com and said to be taken on Sept 22.)

Here is video of the scene on 9/11. Does the forest look very damaged to you?

To me, it looks unmistakable that the forest section seen in the early evening WTAE photo and the above video of the scene on the day of the attack looks no where as near as damaged as seen in all the other aerials taken after 9/11 which suggests the forest was further burned to give the illusion that there was more damage to the scene since the perps botched the crash scene up so bad on 9/11.

I don't know how the perps burned more of that section of forest, but it obviously had to be burned sometime during the night or early in the moring before that government's aerial was taken sometime on the morning of 9/12. I did notice that there seems to be no nighttime photos of the crash scene and FEMA didn’t even have any photos of Shanksville in their photo library where they have tons of photos of Ground Zero and the Pentagon.

Notice though that this photo that is supposedly taken on 9/12 is the first ground photo the shows the entire tree line and the sky! This one is weird because it doesn't look like the forest is very damaged (although it is hard to tell with the shadows) and there is still white smoldering at the same spot on 9/11 which the WTAE photo taken in the evening of 9/11 doesn't seem to show. Was this pic taken on 9/12?

(Photo from usaattacked.com said to be taken on Sept 12.)

See here for all the photos of the Shanksville botched crash scene I could find and try to see if you can find any evidence that counters my theory that the burnt forest section received most of it's damage after 9/11.

In the current Google Earth aerial, notice how all of the burnt forest section was cleared out afterward:

(Forest cleared out to about 70yds deep according to Google Earth.)

Faked Shanksville crater and the burnt forest section

See here for new evidence of the burnt forest section: Shanksville forest mostly burned after 9/11?


(Updated: 12/30/06)

It should be obvious by now that no Boeing 757 crashed and caused the Wile E. Coyote crater in the ground in Shanksville, PA because of the almost perfect wing impressions in the ground, a faint tail imprint in the grass but no tail section, the small amount of dirt displaced, the lack of debris from a 155ft plane, and the lack of fire damage to the grass around the crater from the supposed 5,500 gal of jet fuel on board at impact.

(Purple circle = left wingtip; blue circle = vertical tail tip; yellow circle = right wingtip. Service road is left of purple circle. Remember that the 757 supposedly flipped on its belly and crashed almost 90 deg downward according to multiple witnesses. Also, notice that whatever made the impression in the grass in the shape of a tail didn’t penetrate the ground and then completely vanished.)


The crater obviously had to have been made some other way and I’d speculate the most logical way is that is was made similar to how the crater was made for A&E’s Flight 93. But what's important to remember is that as long as a 757 didn’t create the crater, what did is a moot point.

(Man-made crater from A&E’s Flight 93.)

However, what I’ve always wondered was how did only the middle of this fake crater and a small section of forest catch on fire, but hardly any of (if any at all) the grass around the crater, or the grass in between the crater and the burnt forest section where the small service road is?

Furthering this weirdness is that the trajectory of the burnt forest section doesn’t even align with the trajectory of the alleged flight path.

(Green dotted line = fire damage; Purple circle = left wingtip; blue arrow = flight path; yellow circle = right wingtip. Map from Popular Mechanics)

It’s as if something was launched into the middle of the crater at a slightly different angle to cause fire damage around the crater to help make it look like a plane had actually crashed there, but instead this projectile bounced off up and over the section of grass and small service road in between the forest and then exploded into the trees. And I think this is what happened.

Take a close look at the displaced dirt in the crater. Notice that the displaced dirt looks it was pushed in one direction leaving a ramp-like shape.

(See video clip of this aerial shot.)

*** See all original crater and aerial photos here ***

So if some kind of projectile was launched into the middle of the crater and bounced in the direction the pushed dirt is pointing to, its trajectory lines up perfectly with the small section of burnt forest.

If this sounds a little way out there, look what one of the officials at the scene was trying to pass off to us and notice he describes what I am saying in that an object came down at a 45-degree angle on bounced off into the woulds even though witness reports said the plane they saw was coming down at nearly 90-degrees:

“Miller recalled his arrival at the crash site about 20 minutes after the plane plummeted to the earth and described how the aircraft came down at a 45-degree angle. He explained how the cockpit broke off at impact, bouncing into a wooded area of about 60 acres. The resulting fireball scorched about eight acres of trees, he said.” - Pittsburghlive.com (05/30/02)

It makes perfect sense as to why something looks like it hit the middle of the crater and bounced off in a perfect trajectory towards the burnt forest and why that forest section is at a different trajectory than how the alleged 757 supposedly came in caught fire, but the grass and service road between the crater and the burnt forest section was not touched by any burning jet fuel.

It would also explain how some of the burnt trees closet to the crater had their tops broken.

FOX News reporter: It looks like there's nothing there, except for a hole in the ground.

Photographer Chris Konicki: Ah, basically that's right. The only thing you can see from where we where, ah, was a big gouge in the earth and some broken trees.” – FOX video (09/11/01)

Lastly it may also explain what the small white mysterious jet with the “military” look was doing at the crash scene before the explosion as multiple people witnesses and was seen coming in over Indian Lake which is the opposite direction Flight 93 supposedly came it.

The only thing left to wonder about is how the middle of the crater caught on fire if whatever bounced off from the middle of it only exploded in the forest. Noticed that none of the tall grass growing right up against the rim of the crater caught on fire which suggests no large fire was in the crater. Maybe the inside of the crater was doused was fuel before hand and caught fire as the projectile landed in it and then accidentally bounced and exploded into the burnt forest section.

That might also explain why some of the dirt in the carved out crater doesn't look like it was touched by fire and why some of the dirt in the crater looks "old" as if it was carved up well before Sept. 11.

However, it doesn’t really matter because it’s clear that no 757 caused any of this.

See also:

• Did Flight 93 Crash in Shanksville? – Killtown
• Flight 93 Image Gallery