Gideon: How big was the debris field, cause I've heard different stories. I've heard it was all confined to the crater over there and I also seen like early news reports that the debris was strewn for 3 or 4 miles.Ambassador: Not that far. 80% of the plane was in the crater, but I'm sure there was a lot of other debris, but all of this debris field was...this acreage here was full of debris, especially down-wind...that's where the woods caught fire and the engine was found in one of the ponds here on the property.
Lawsuit over 9/11 photo heads to trial
April 12, 2007
BY SANDRA K. REABUCK
The AP used the photo with a story about McClatchey and also put it on a downloadable database without her permission, McClatchey asserts. She is seeking at least $150,000 in damages, plus any profits AP realized.
Judge preserves lawsuit over Sept. 11 photo
Tuesday, April 03, 2007
By Milan Simonich, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Before her trouble with the AP, Mrs. McClatchey had licensed the use of her photo to various news organizations, including the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Newsweek and ABC. She generally charged $250 to $350 for one-time use of the picture, admitting she did not know how much freelance photographers commanded.
She is seeking $150,000 in damages, contending the AP was guilty of "willful infringement" of the copyright.
Without knowing the answer, I guessed either a couple of months or a year.
Man, I was way off.
This, to me, is not so much about supporting Rosie O'Donnell for starting to question 9/11 (which I’m thrilled about) or anything else she says, it's about telling big media to support free speech and not be intimidated by reactionary groups that support censorship.
So I support keeping Rosie!
dylan avery Posted:
Apr 2 2007,
Whoever's behind this multiple-IP temporary forwarding no plane spamming nonsense ...
Loose Change Forum is from now on taking a NO TOLERANCE POLICY on "No Planes At WTC"
From this post forward, anyone seen promoting that theory ... first offense, 7 day suspension. Second offense, banning.
This is our forum, and we refuse to allow our reputation to be tarnished any further.
Did you get that? He banned certain conspiracy theories from his conspiracy forum; the ones he feels are harmful to the movement. Why? Because obviously he thinks he knows what’s best for the 9/11 “Truth” movement.
If you agree with Dylan's decision in banning this particular theory because you feel it has no basis and/or is "discrediting" the movement, how will you feel if/when he bans one of the theories you believe in?
The funniest part is that his overreaction came in part from the result of the actions by a couple spammer trolls who launched an attack on me by bumping all my old threads up in an attempt to make me look bad and when the first spammer got banned, they came back under different names (even copying my own ID somehow) and began bumping more of my old threads up, but this time they got clever and made themselves look like no-planers, the people who Dylan obviously despises. These crafty spammers deliberately did this to make me and no-planers look bad and Dylan fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
dylan avery Posted:
Apr 2 2007,
"QUOTE (Killtown @ Apr 3 2007, 12:20 AM) Dylan, you fell for the oldest trick in the book."
You are now suspended for 7 days.
Start being a responsible person and researcher.
“Start being a responsible person and researcher.” Hmm, that’s pretty funny coming out of his mouth.
But this should not come to any surprise; he’s been abusing his power at his poorly run forums for quite some time. The Loose Change Forum is legendary for deleting posts and banning at will. Now a lot of these deleting of posts and bannings have been towards conspiracy skeptics who’s sole purpose was to disrupt the forum and ridicule 9/11 conspiracy theorists, so I don’t have a problem with taking action against these immature trolls (even though I personally would have handled it differently), but it’s the deleting of posts and banning of legitimate researchers with legitimate questions exploring all aspects of the truth that can not be tolerated. It’s censorship, “plane” and simple.
(*Note that there was a lot of corrupt admins at the first LC forum in which I was for them being de-admined, but I was not for Dylan’s mass admin banning and I did not know the whole story at the time about what his reasons were for his mass bannings.)
It’s also very disturbing that one the very few moderators he has at his large and popular forum is Russell Pickering who spends most of his time trying to prove an AA Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon which goes directly against one of the main points in Dylan’s movie Loose Change which advocates that no plane hit the Pentagon. What’s up with that???
A lot of people have been complaining in the background about Dylan’s strong-arm tactics and immature behavior and his seemingly lack of interest at his own forum by allowing trolls there to run amok for quite some time now, but were afraid to speak up because if you brought it up at his forum, you would most likely be banned on the spot. Another reason people haven’t stood up (including me) to say anything about him is because we don’t want to be seen as dividing the movement and don’t want to give ammunition to the immature skeptics who’s sole purpose is to destroy the 9/11 truth movement.
Well we can only stay seated and quiet for so long until we become the very people who we complain about that stay seated and quiet about thinking 9/11 was an inside job. Dylan’s actions of censorship and strong-arming are, in my opinion, discrediting the 9/11 “Truth” Movement just as much, or maybe even more, than the very theories he thinks are discrediting the movement.
Dylan is not the only “big-wig” in the 9/11 Truth Movement who thinks they know what’s best for the movement and, ironically, these other “big-wigs” in the movement who think they know best for everyone think Loose Change is detrimental to the truth movement!
Some truthers will say that exposing 9/11 is too important to worry about free speech because if the New World Order gets its way, there will be no free speech anymore, so we must “suspend” the very things we are fighting for to win our battle for the “truth”.
Well that being said, then there are only two options for the 9/11 truth movement as I see it:
1) Support free speech in our efforts to find the truth about 9/11 and condemn censorship (one of the very things we are supposedly fighting against)
2) Become fascists and support a elitist hierarchy that the majority of truthers (or those who pull the most weight) think will know what’s best for the movement to lead us and attack and ridicule those who the movement's self appointed Messiahs deem "trouble makers" for the movement.
I, for one, am against fascism and support freedom of speech and I’m taking a stand against dictators who think they know what’s best for the 9/11 truth movement.
I’m calling for Dylan Avery to step down as an administrator at the Loose Change Forum and for the other members of Loose Change, Jason Bermas and Korey Rowe, to either take control of the forum and run it more professionally, or close it all together like the did with their last forum.
I also urge other sites, like 911blogger.com, to crack down on members who think they know what’s best for the movement and who viciously attack other truthers who they disagree with.
I urge all truthers who support free speech and who are against bullying tactics to stand up against any member or group in the 9/11 truth movement who they think are stifling free speech and are acting like dictators.
Now is the time to take a stand.
Don’t regret not standing up like Earl McManus did:
If truthers think I am detrimental to the 9/11 truth movement, feel free to take a stand against me.
Listen to this CNN's "Michael Hezarkhani" video of the alleged 2nd plane crash and pay particular attention to the screams of the people:
You should have heard a lady scream, “Oh my God!”, and then at the very end a man say, “Oh my God!” in a less panicky tone.
Now listen to a different version of that same CNN video with a longer ending:
Did you hear the man say, “Oh my God!” in the last one?
Oh my God!!!
Flight 175 was said to have hit at 590mph.