New Shanksville aerial photo shows no debris in excavated crater

I just stumbled upon this Shanksville aerial photo I hadn’t seen before that looks like it was taken a few days after 9/11 when they started excavating the crater:

(direct link)

Officials are telling us that 80% of Flight 93 was found in the crater. If that is true, then why is the only thing that seems to be being excavated from that crater is dirt?  33 cars-worth of wreckage should have been down there!

Remember that there is only one photo that shows debris in the crater during the excavation and that photo just happens to be the one with the small rusted engine scrap with no dirt embedded in it in which I showed how they planted it after 9/11:

Note that there is also the close-up photo of one of the alleged black boxes that was photographed in a crater, however there is no proof that it was actually taken in that Shanksville crater and not some other staged crater.

See also:

• Shanksville excavate photos

Claim: 80% of Flight 93 buried--over 30 cars-worth!

The Ambassadors at the Flight 93 Memorial, who are trained on the details of Flight 93, are telling visitors that 80% of the plane had buried.

(Video taken by 'Gideon 524')

Gideon: How big was the debris field, cause I've heard different stories.  I've heard it was all confined to the crater over there and I also seen like early news reports that the debris was strewn for 3 or 4 miles.

Ambassador: Not that far. 80% of the plane was in the crater, but I'm sure there was a lot of other debris, but all of this debris field was...this acreage here was full of debris, especially down-wind...that's where the woods caught fire and the engine was found in one of the ponds here on the property.

So how much would 80% of Flight 93 be?

Flight 93 was a Boeing 757-200 series with Pratt & Whitney engines.

The empty weight of that plane would be 127,520 lbs , or 63.76 tons (US).

80% of that is 102,016 lbs, or a whopping 51 tons (US)!

To give you an idea how much that is, the average compact sedan car in 2002 weighed 3,097 pounds.

 ('02 Honda Civic)

So that means the amount of debris that they dug out of that Shanksville field would have been...

over 30 cars-worth!

To give you a perspective of how much car debris I'm talking about, here's a photo of only about 25 crushed cars that have been condensed by a car compactor:

Now just think how many piles there would be of 30+ cars-worth of loosely piled debris and how easy they would be to spot at the Shanksville scene .

Funny, looks like only dirt came out of that ground to me.


See also:

• Archive of reports that most of Flight 93 had buried
• The planted engines at Shanksville
• Best evidence 'UA93 recorder' in crater staged

McClatchey suing AP for $150,000 over photo

But I thought Val wasn’t in it for the money?

Lawsuit over 9/11 photo heads to trial

April 12, 2007

BY SANDRA K. REABUCK
The Tribune-Democrat

The AP used the photo with a story about McClatchey and also put it on a downloadable database without her permission, McClatchey asserts. She is seeking at least $150,000 in damages, plus any profits AP realized.

And I wonder if the media made their checks out to the Todd Beamer Foundation for this...

Judge preserves lawsuit over Sept. 11 photo

Tuesday, April 03, 2007
By Milan Simonich, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Before her trouble with the AP, Mrs. McClatchey had licensed the use of her photo to various news organizations, including the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Newsweek and ABC. She generally charged $250 to $350 for one-time use of the picture, admitting she did not know how much freelance photographers commanded.

She is seeking $150,000 in damages, contending the AP was guilty of "willful infringement" of the copyright.

Read latest updates about her photo here.

If the Statue of Liberty can disappear

If David Copperfield could make it look like the Statue of Liberty disappeared to people watching it in person and live on TV...

then why couldn't the military, with all their sophistication, make people think they saw real planes crash into the WTC in person and live on TV?

See also:

• WTC 'Plane' Crash Videos
• How did David Copperfield make the Statue of Liberty disappear?

MySpace axes Killtown

Well, I knew it was only a matter of time until I got axed by MySpace. Not too terribly upset though since MySpace has been caught censoring since Rupert Murdoch bought it to drive traffic to his Fox TV sites and try to take back control of the internet. They also would rather shut down sites to make the immature low-life Randi’s kids happy rather than to help catch a killer. That’s why my nickname for MySpace is “MyWhore”.

Censored at Myspace (twice), at YouTube, and who knows how many times I've been censored at the Loose Change forums, that’s why I choose this for my avatar:

When was the Zapruder film first shown on TV?

Someone asked me when was the first time the Abraham Zapruder film that captured JFK’s head being blown back and to the left was aired on TV.

Without knowing the answer, I guessed either a couple of months or a year.

Man, I was way off.

Try over 11 years!

U.S. Military protecting our freedom, or corporate interests?

I've said in the past that I would never join the U.S. military, not because I hate my country as I'm sure a lot of ignorant right-wingers would like you to think, but because our military is being used to further our corrupt politician's imperialistic agenda and protect corporate interests.


Doesn't that sound like it came out of the mouth of a crazy lefty pot-smoking anti-war hippie?


Well let's here what a retired Lt. Col. who spent 20 years in the U.S. military and worked at the Defense Dept. has to say about what our military is really about and if they'd let their children join:

Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski tells it like it is

Clip from the documentary "Why We Fight".

Keep Rosie!

KeepRosie.com

This, to me, is not so much about supporting Rosie O'Donnell for starting to question 9/11 (which I’m thrilled about) or anything else she says, it's about telling big media to support free speech and not be intimidated by reactionary groups that support censorship.

So I support keeping Rosie!

and...

DefendRosie.com

Stand up against '9/11 Truth' dictators

Yesterday was another sad day in the 9/11 “truth” movement. It seems like there are certain people in the movement who think they know what’s best for movement and want to dictate which 9/11 conspiracy theories are ok to discuss and which ones are forbidden to talk about (ironic, huh?).

Yesterday Dylan Avery, of Loose Change, banned certain conspiracy theories to be discussed at his “9/11 truth” conspiracy forum:

dylan avery Posted: Apr 2 2007, 06:59 PM

Whoever's behind this multiple-IP temporary forwarding no plane spamming nonsense ...

Loose Change Forum is from now on taking a NO TOLERANCE POLICY on "No Planes At WTC"

From this post forward, anyone seen promoting that theory ... first offense, 7 day suspension. Second offense, banning.

This is our forum, and we refuse to allow our reputation to be tarnished any further.

Did you get that? He banned certain conspiracy theories from his conspiracy forum; the ones he feels are harmful to the movement. Why? Because obviously he thinks he knows what’s best for the 9/11 “Truth” movement.

(Photo source)

If you agree with Dylan's decision in banning this particular theory because you feel it has no basis and/or is "discrediting" the movement, how will you feel if/when he bans one of the theories you believe in?

The funniest part is that his overreaction came in part from the result of the actions by a couple spammer trolls who launched an attack on me by bumping all my old threads up in an attempt to make me look bad and when the first spammer got banned, they came back under different names (even copying my own ID somehow) and began bumping more of my old threads up, but this time they got clever and made themselves look like no-planers, the people who Dylan obviously despises. These crafty spammers deliberately did this to make me and no-planers look bad and Dylan fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

When I pointed this out to Dylan, this was his reaction:

dylan avery Posted: Apr 2 2007, 07:21 PM

"QUOTE (Killtown @ Apr 3 2007, 12:20 AM) Dylan, you fell for the oldest trick in the book."

You are now suspended for 7 days.

Start being a responsible person and researcher.

“Start being a responsible person and researcher.” Hmm, that’s pretty funny coming out of his mouth.

But this should not come to any surprise; he’s been abusing his power at his poorly run forums for quite some time. The Loose Change Forum is legendary for deleting posts and banning at will. Now a lot of these deleting of posts and bannings have been towards conspiracy skeptics who’s sole purpose was to disrupt the forum and ridicule 9/11 conspiracy theorists, so I don’t have a problem with taking action against these immature trolls (even though I personally would have handled it differently), but it’s the deleting of posts and banning of legitimate researchers with legitimate questions exploring all aspects of the truth that can not be tolerated. It’s censorship, “plane” and simple.

Dylan also closed down the first Loose Change Forum after he banned a lot of his admins and mods for standing up to him*.

(*Note that there was a lot of corrupt admins at the first LC forum in which I was for them being de-admined, but I was not for Dylan’s mass admin banning and I did not know the whole story at the time about what his reasons were for his mass bannings.)

It’s also very disturbing that one the very few moderators he has at his large and popular forum is Russell Pickering who spends most of his time trying to prove an AA Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon which goes directly against one of the main points in Dylan’s movie Loose Change which advocates that no plane hit the Pentagon. What’s up with that???

A lot of people have been complaining in the background about Dylan’s strong-arm tactics and immature behavior and his seemingly lack of interest at his own forum by allowing trolls there to run amok for quite some time now, but were afraid to speak up because if you brought it up at his forum, you would most likely be banned on the spot. Another reason people haven’t stood up (including me) to say anything about him is because we don’t want to be seen as dividing the movement and don’t want to give ammunition to the immature skeptics who’s sole purpose is to destroy the 9/11 truth movement.

Well we can only stay seated and quiet for so long until we become the very people who we complain about that stay seated and quiet about thinking 9/11 was an inside job. Dylan’s actions of censorship and strong-arming are, in my opinion, discrediting the 9/11 “Truth” Movement just as much, or maybe even more, than the very theories he thinks are discrediting the movement.

Dylan is not the only “big-wig” in the 9/11 Truth Movement who thinks they know what’s best for the movement and, ironically, these other “big-wigs” in the movement who think they know best for everyone think Loose Change is detrimental to the truth movement!

Some truthers will say that exposing 9/11 is too important to worry about free speech because if the New World Order gets its way, there will be no free speech anymore, so we must “suspend” the very things we are fighting for to win our battle for the “truth”.

Well that being said, then there are only two options for the 9/11 truth movement as I see it:

1) Support free speech in our efforts to find the truth about 9/11 and condemn censorship (one of the very things we are supposedly fighting against)

2) Become fascists and support a elitist hierarchy that the majority of truthers (or those who pull the most weight) think will know what’s best for the movement to lead us and attack and ridicule those who the movement's self appointed Messiahs deem "trouble makers" for the movement.

I, for one, am against fascism and support freedom of speech and I’m taking a stand against dictators who think they know what’s best for the 9/11 truth movement.

I’m calling for Dylan Avery to step down as an administrator at the Loose Change Forum and for the other members of Loose Change, Jason Bermas and Korey Rowe, to either take control of the forum and run it more professionally, or close it all together like the did with their last forum.

I also urge other sites, like 911blogger.com, to crack down on members who think they know what’s best for the movement and who viciously attack other truthers who they disagree with.

I urge all truthers who support free speech and who are against bullying tactics to stand up against any member or group in the 9/11 truth movement who they think are stifling free speech and are acting like dictators.

Now is the time to take a stand.

Don’t regret not standing up like Earl McManus did:

McManus regrets he didn't stand oop

If truthers think I am detrimental to the 9/11 truth movement, feel free to take a stand against me.

My banned from list.

Oh my God, there's a missing "Oh my God!"

(Update: Holy shit, now there's an extra "Oh my God!")

Listen to this CNN's "Michael Hezarkhani" video of the alleged 2nd plane crash and pay particular attention to the screams of the people:

You should have heard a lady scream, “Oh my God!”, and then at the very end a man say, “Oh my God!” in a less panicky tone.

Now listen to a different version of that same CNN video with a longer ending:

Did you hear the man say, “Oh my God!” in the last one?

Oh my God!!!

Credit to Fred for this find.

Damn, dem birds is fast!

Pay attention to the three birds flying from left to right after the plane with a faulty right wing hits the building:

WTC 2nd Crash - A faulty wing & some very very fast birds

Flight 175 was said to have hit at 590mph.

See also:

• It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's....