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Guest on 'The Detectors' hosted by Dean Hartwell

2011-09-23T22:24:00.000-07:00

Was on for an hour talking about Shanksville on DAnne Burley's blogtalkradio show, The Detectors. Hosted by Dean Hartwell.

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New Shanksville smoking gun -- Coming Soon!

2011-09-11T11:58:00.000-07:00

I'll be releasing a new Shanksville smoking gun very soon.

If you can't wait, you can get a sneak peak here.

Ghosts of the Republic 9/11 Special

2011-09-10T11:32:00.000-07:00

Special September Eleventh 10 Year Anniversary Show.

GhosDawg, Paranoid, Domenick and Killtown discuss the political, economical and all other ramifications from that fateful day that occurred a decade ago. We talk about where we are now and the questions that still remain unanswered. One of the best episodes thus far and a great resource for the 9-11 investigator. NOT TO BE MISSED.

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Great mismatch of IDs 'found' at Shanksville scene

2011-08-13T20:09:00.000-07:00

Percentage of IDs* supposedly recovered from the alleged Flight 93 crash in Shanksville:

75% of the 4 alleged hijackers

only 12.5% of the 40 passengers

(*I define "IDs" as anything allegedly found at the scene with the alleged passengers name, or photo on it.)

IDs of alleged Hijackers "found" at the scene:

1. Saeed al-Ghamdi - passport (PA00108)

2. Ahmed Al-Nami - driver's license (PA00110); Saudi Arabian Youth Hostel Association ID (PA00102)

3. Ziad Jarrah - passport (PA00105.08); also business card of Ziad's uncle, Assem Jarrah

4. Ahmed al-Haznawi - (no IDs reportedly found)

(Note: There were supposedly two passport-sized photos found at the scene (PA00103.2 & PA00103.3). To me, they sorta look like Al-Nami. If one of them is al-Haznawi, then 100% of the hijackers IDs were "found.")

IDs of alleged passengers "found" at the scene:

1. Lorraine Bay (flight attendant) - in-flight manual

2. Andrew Garcia - wallet

3. Richard Guadagno** - credentials and badge from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

4. CeeCee Lyles - drivers license & personal effects (P200069)

5. John Talignani - drivers license (P200068)

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**Interesting comment about Richard Guadagno's "found" personal effects:

"It was practically intact," Richard's sister, Lori, said of the credentials, which were returned in their wallet. "It just looked like it wasn't damaged or hadn't gone through much of anything at all, which is so bizarre and ironic."

Yeah, nothing odd about that.

Challenged 911myths.com to debunk some of my Shanksville claims

2011-04-27T18:11:00.000-07:00

Today I sent an email to "Mike Williams" of 911myths.com, challenging him/they/whoever to debunk some of my no-plane @ Shanksville claims.

I did so because I hadn't visited that site in a while and noticed it only has one debunk of a rather weak-sauce no-plane claim, so I thought I'd challenge him on some current no-plane claims.

I pretty much just gave him an easy one to debunk. I told him that my claim is that no plane debris was buried in that Shanksville field, certainly not most of Flight 93 and not even the one alleged buried engine, or even the two reported black boxes.

I also said that not even he can believe the unbelievable official details of the alleged crash.

So think he'll attempt to debunk at least the what should be an easy debunkable claim that nothing buried there?

I won't hold my breath either.

DMCA complaint against Wolfgang Staehle photo

2011-04-15T15:12:00.000-07:00

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My challenge to Matt Taibbi

2011-03-15T19:50:00.000-07:00

RollingStones columnist, Matt Taibbi, thinks 9/11 truthers are sad and feels sorry for us.

I asked him in the comments section if he knew what the official Flight 93 crash story was and also left him a challenge to prove that 30+ cars-worth of plane debris did indeed come out of the Shanksville ground.

Sadly, I have a feeling he won't be able to, yet will still go on believing in the official 9/11 fairy tale.

I feel sorry for Matt.

(Update 3/17/11) Taibbi responded on the 15th to one truther's comment about Jane Standley's premature announcement of the collapsed WTC 7 and lists what he thinks would have been the reasoning if it was a conspiracy. Weak.

Guess how many cars-worth of debris was 'buried' in Shanksville?

2011-02-18T15:36:00.000-08:00

I did a comparison to demonstrate how much 80% of a Boeing 757 roughly is, the official claim of how much of Flight 93 supposedly buried, so people could better understand just how much plane debris would have come out of the ground.

'02 Compact Sedan

I compared 80% of the empty weight of the type of Boeing 757 Flight 93 was with the average weight of a popular sized automobile, a compact sedan, from a year closest to 9/11 that I could find.

Calculating it up, the government is trying to tell us that the amount of plane debris that was supposedly underneath this shallow crater was...

over 30 cars-worth!

Yeah, right.

Excellent scale-up of 'End of Serenity' smoke plume, proving it's not from a '757 crash'

2011-02-12T10:42:00.000-08:00

Excellent piece of research done back in Feb '07 by nick7261 comparing the smoke plume in the Val McClatchey photo with the explosion coming out of the WTC 2.

Remember, Flight 175 supposedly had 65% more fuel left than Flight 93 supposedly did upon impact and most of Flight 93 supposedly had buried deep into the ground, so fast that it didn’t have a chance to burn!

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2010-12-30T12:14:00.000-08:00

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Why no piles of plane debris, just piles of dirt?

2010-12-18T19:53:00.000-08:00

The official story says most of Flight 93 buried underground, reaching a depth of about 45 feet where the Boeing 757 supposedly accordioned against a layer of bedrock.

On 9/13, officials started excavating the alleged hole the plane supposedly made and, on the same day, supposedly unearthed one of the plane's engines and one of the plane's black boxes at a depth of 15 feet.

On 9/16,* only three days later, they reportedly finished extracting all of the plane that buried, a total of about 80% of the Boeing 757, that's 30+ cars-worth of debris!

Logically, there should have been numerous piles of plane debris collected outside of the hole waiting to be processed after extraction.

However, as you can see in the excavation photos below, there were no piles of plane debris collected, only numerous piles of extracted dirt:

*Source

And if you look at all the piles of dirt collected outside the hole, they look to be the exact amount to completely fill back up the excavated hole, meaning nothing came out of the ground, except dirt, and that means the official story that most of the plane buried is a lie, the official story that 95% of the Boeing 757 was recovered is a lie, thereby the official story that Flight 93 crashed there is a lie.

Guest on 'Ghosts of the Republic' radio show - Nov 14 & 21

2010-11-14T13:14:00.000-08:00

(Archives of Nov 14 & Nov 21 shows.)

Ghosts of the Republic

www.blogtalkradio.com/ghostsoftherepublic
Hosts: 'GhostDawg' & 'Paranoid'

Subject: TV Fakery & No-Planes theory

Date: Nov 14 & 21, 2010

Call-in #: (347) 327-9627

Time: 10pm EST / 7pm PST

Length: 2 hours

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My website: the WTC Crash Videos

Why They Didn't Use Planes To Hit The WTC
(article explaining the logic behind using no planes)

Air vs. Skyscraper

(video showing how the plane travels through air the same amount of frames it travels through the WTC)

The 2urists
(video about the Michael Hezarkhani video and Carmen Taylor photos allegedly taken at Battery Park in Lower Manhattan. Be sure to check out Carmen's unusual explanation.)

Hezarkhunning - 3 more clues
(video showing 3 clues the Hezarkhani video is highly suspicious)

My various TV-Fakery & No-Planes blogposts

Guest on 'The Real Deal' with Jim Fetzer (Mon 11th & Wed 13th)

2010-10-11T14:37:00.000-07:00

(Update: archives for 11th & 13th shows)

The Real Deal

Host: Jim Fetzer

Discussion: Shanksville

Mon. October 11, 2010 / 6-8 pm EST

&
Wed. October 13, 2010 / 6-7 pm EST

Guest on 'Ghosts of the Republic' radio show - Sept 8

2010-08-11T22:50:00.000-07:00

(Archived here.)

Ghosts of the Republic

www.blogtalkradio.com/ghostsoftherepublic
Special Host: Dominick DiMaggio (aka 'Terrorcell')

Co-hosts: 'GhostDawg' & 'Paranoid'
Subject: Shanksville / Flight 93

Date: Sept 8, 2010

Call-in #: (347) 327-9627

Time: 11pm EST / 8pm PST
Length: 2 hours

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Links:

Website: Did Flight 93 Crash in Shanksville?

Dom's: Flight 93 Final Report

Aerial of the scene
(Rollock scrap yard, Crater, Susan McElwain, Val McClatchey, & Indian Lake)

How'd all that debris land on top of the Shanksville crater?

2010-07-24T19:18:00.000-07:00

Question:

If most of Flight 93 burrowed deep in the ground after it supposedly crashed, how did all that debris land on the surface of the crater if the reason there's no visible hole left in the ground by the alleged burrowing Boeing 757 is because the loose soil supposedly fell back in on itself and covered up the hole? -- how convenient!

- Lisa Beamer: "The plane had pierced the earth like a spoon in a cup of coffee: the spoon forced the coffee back, and then the coffee immediately closed around the spoon as though nothing had troubled the surface. Anything that remained of Flight 93 was buried deep in the ground."

- Veteran FBI agent Michael Soohy: "It's almost like a dart hitting a pile of flour. ... The plane went in, and the stuff back-filled right over it."

- "The rest of the 757 continued its downward passage, the sandy loam closing behind it like the door of a tomb." - The Age

Did some of the cockpit section that allegedly snapped off and hurled into the woods shattered into small pieces and got launched straight up into the air and then landed straight back down on the crater after the dirt finished filling back in the long deep hole that was supposedly just made by most of Flight 93 burrowing deep down through it? -- I'm reaching for an explanation!

Also, look at the photos of the crater again:

hi-res

1) Does the crater even look like it was a deep hole that got filled back in and sealed from the alleged loose dirt? (Remember, they supposedly had to dig 15 feet to start finding the alleged buried plane!)

2) If the 757 crashed at a 40 deg angle, it should have created a 40 deg hole. Even if the loose dirt could even possibly filled back in a deep hole that was just created by a burrowing Boeing 757 (if that's even remotely possible also), does this "filled back in hole" look like it was a 40 deg hole, or 90 deg hole?

New Flight 77 page: Emergency Drills & Responses

2010-07-08T11:53:00.000-07:00

I split my Flight 77's Official Claim page because it was too long and added Emergency Drills & Responses to also help highlight all the suspicious and coincidental drills and emergency responses related to the Pentagon incident.

If Flight 93 crashed at 40deg and most burrowed down 45ft...

2010-07-05T16:52:00.000-07:00

then why did the FBI excavate straight down as if something had crashed at a 90deg angle?

("An aerial photo shows the crash site of United Flight 93 near Shanksville, Pa., taken by the FBI Wednesday, Sept. 19, 2001")

I have an answer: because no plane crashed there.

Beginning of Serenity

2010-07-04T11:05:00.001-07:00

IMPOSSIBLE: Only ONE debris shows UA livery and it's the largest photo'd

2010-06-15T17:05:00.000-07:00

The FBI claims they recovered 95% of Flight 93.

Amazingly, out of all this alleged debris recovered, only one of the pieces of plane debris photographed at the scene shows United Airlines logo colors.

But not only that, this piece shown with the UA livery is the largest piece of plane debris photographed!

What's the odds on that one?!

You'd think that if the largest piece of plane debris photo'd showed the plane's logo colors and if almost the entire plane was recovered, odds are that there would be lots of smaller pieces of debris with the plane's livery photographed.

The only logical and rational explanation for this is the crash was staged and the perps only brought in one piece of plane wreckage with the livery of the plane they say crashed.

(Also note that the photo of this only piece of debris with UA livery is a close-up, which makes it unable to determine where exactly this piece was photographed. There's no real proof it was even taken at the scene.)

We caused our Memorial Day

2010-05-31T14:40:00.000-07:00

Memorial Day is a holiday to commemorate U.S. soldiers who died from military combat.

I think the average America would add "while protecting our nation" when thinking of the meaning of this holiday, so they believe our Memorial Day was, in a sense, "caused" by foreign forces trying to destroy America.

However, if you look back at the history of all U.S. military operations where U.S. soldiers died from, I'd argue most of these operations were unnecessary, illegal, and spawned from false-flag events. (Shouldn't be surprising since the U.S. has been the most imperialist country in the world for quite a while now.)

So the sad reality is most of our fallen soldiers that we are commemorating today died not as a result from protecting the USA from foreign forces, but died because of our own corrupt politician's personal and economic agendas.

Claim of only 8% of Flight 93 passenger remains found supports conspiracy

2010-05-25T17:20:00.000-07:00

The official claim:

95% of 757 recovered

but

only 8% of passenger remains recovered

yet

miraculously enough to identify 100% of the 44 passengers

but mindbogglingly

the Coroner reports never seeing a single drop of blood, fresh or dried.

then factor in

out of the carnage that caused a 757 to shatter into mostly small plate-sized pieces and causing 44 passengers to be reduced to hamburger meat resulting in only 8% total left, this pristine red bandanna, that was supposedly around the head of one of the hijackers on board, was allegedly found amongst the carnage without a snagged thread

These odds are so great and so unbelievable that it supports a conspiracy.

New 9/11 forum

2010-05-01T15:31:00.000-07:00

Former 911m member 'DoYouEverWonder' has set up a new 9/11 forum a couple of months ago. Allows discussion of anything, but no personal attacks. Looks like I found a new home. Come join us!

beyondpoliticsand911.com

Memorial Ambassador: 'Over 90% of Flight 93 found, basically all from in the ground'

2010-04-13T20:44:00.000-07:00

Flight 93 Memorial Ambassador: ...before impact, [Flight 93] turned on its back and then it just telescoped into the ground. It hit at 580mph, which is cruising speed.

Gideon: How much of the plane was recovered?

Ambassador: Over 90%.

Gideon: Where was it -- was it all found in the crater?

Ambassador: Basically all in the crater.
There were few small pieces [above ground], but basically everything was recovered from in the ground.

This is for those who still don't believe the official story states that of the FBI's claim that 95% of Flight 93 was recovered, most of that wreckage was supposed recovered underground.

This confirms another Ambassador's quote that gave the specific figure that about 80% of the plane was underground.

Of course this part of the Shanksville official story is totally absurd (like most parts of the Shanksville story) because there is hardly any proof that 30+ cars-worth of debris was dug out of the ground (only the staged engine photo is their evidence!).

And don't forget the two most absurd parts of this absurd tale that most of plane managed to bury itself. First is that after most of Flight 93 allegedly buried itself after crashing, the earth fell back in on itself which covered up the hole that would have been left by the Boeing 757 tunneling through the ground and this "remarkably" left a shallow crater in the ground as if a bomb hit there! Second is the only part of the plane that didn't allegedly get buried after crashing at the reported blistering 580mph is the part of the plane that you would think was the most likely to get buried, the cockpit (if that's even possible to become buried!)

Above video was taken by Gideon in 2006.

Skeptic's dilemma regarding alleged Flight 93 wreckage

2010-03-14T18:17:00.000-07:00

The FBI claims that they recovered almost all of Flight 93.

SHANKSVILLE, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- The FBI announced Monday that its investigation of the site where a hijacked jet slammed into a field here is complete and that 95 percent of the plane was recovered.

Photos of the scene taken before the clean-up started show relatively little debris lying around.

The official story states that most of Flight 93 had buried and this would logically explain why not much 757 debris was observed above ground.

However, skeptics have put themselves in quite a dilemma.

First off, skeptics seem split in regards to how much of Flight 93 was buried underground, or not. Some believe most was buried, while others don't. This is an obvious problem for skeptics because they can't have it both ways.

For the skeptics who don't believe most of the 757 was buried, they've never been able to show where most of the claimed 95% of wreckage was above ground before cleanup.

(An FBI aerial photograph taken Sept. 12, 2001, shows the crash site of hijacked United Airlines Flight 93 in Shanksville, Pa.)

For the skeptics who do believe that most of the plane had buried as the media and others reported, they've never been able to prove that most of a large 757 was dug out of the ground.

They've also never been able to rationally explain why it took almost a year before the media started reporting that most of Flight 93 had buried, an unprecedented feat for a large airplane that should have made front page news soon after investigators realized that most of Flight 93 had supposedly buried, especially when it would have been logically assumed that if most of the plane had buried, then most of the passenger remains would most likely be buried along with it too, especially since no bodies or blood was observed above ground.

So skeptics, you can see your dilemma.

First, you need to come to some consensus as to how much of UA93 was allegedly buried.

If your consensus is most of the plane had buried -- an extraordinary feat for a 757 to do -- then you have to show extraordinary evidence to prove most of the 757 had buried -- so far you haven't.

If your consensus is most of the plane did not bury, then you have to show where all that above ground wreckage was that comes close to adding up to an astounding claimed 95% recovered of a 757.

You also have to rationally explain why your consensus is radically different than the media reporting most had buried.

Blog updates

2010-03-11T12:11:00.000-08:00

I've added some new features to this blog.

On the right sidebar, you'll notice:

Recent Posts
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I'm also going to try to allow anonymous commenting again, subject to approval like the rest of the comments. Only troll and spam comments will be rejected, not dissenting opinions.

Please post any suggestions for this blog.

Update: I gave my homepage a minor facelift too.

Austin 'suicide' plane crash next to CIA building, bombs suspected, HAZMAT truck across street

2010-02-18T17:13:00.000-08:00

(Updated: 03/09/10)

Daughter: "It's not him. The letter itself sounds like it's coming from a different person."

"It felt like a bomb blew off"

"Several witnesses are reporting they first thought it was a bomb."

"Andrew Jacobson was on the second floor when he heard a "big whoomp" and then a second explosion. He also thought a bomb exploded."

"A veteran commercial airline pilot on CNN said that he was surprised at the size of the explosion given the size of the plane. Some are inferring that some kind of explosives were also involved..."

I don't know about you, but to me, the IRS building above looks like bombs caused the massive destruction and fire to it, not just this puny Piper plane hitting the first floor of this 7-story government building going really fast (deja vu!).

Notice the extensive damage and fire to the building, even wrapping all the way around the left side.

What happened to the building's fire extinguishing system???

How could such a small plane do all this damage by itself?!

Notice: all the windows blown out as if bombs exploded inside

the upper-right windows aren't blown out, even though closer to impact spot as opposed to the blown-out upper windows on left side of building

-- and it didn't collapse from fire!

Remember the suspicious Charles J. Bishop plane crash, where a Cessna hit the office building that housed Sen. Graham's (D-FL) office? It hardly caused any outside building damage and didn't even explode inside!

Far cry from what the Piper plane supposedly did in Austin.

The Piper plane seems to have hit the Echelon building between the 1st floor and retaining wall below it.

It didn't even penetrate all the way into the building as you can see large parts of it still sticking out proving it didn't shattered into confetti as you would expect if it hit super hard and blew up so much to cause all that mass damage to the building, or if it was packed with explosives as some newsers speculated because they were astonished this puny plane could do so much damage.

"...witnesses describe an enormous explosion. The plane is reported to be a Piper Cherokee 140, and cable newsers are speculating that it's unlikely that such a plane could produce an explosion of that size without the aid of additional fuel or explosives onboard."

Notice that the plane's engine block landed way back on the street and nothing seemingly else from the plane. Weird.

So is this Austin "suicide" plane crash a PSYOP?

According to PrisonPlanet it is as they claim a "trusted source" told them that an informant in the Dallas FBI office said the FBI knew the attack was going to happen today and they were immediately on the scene filming the crash and witnesses.

And any coincidence this suspicious crash happened in Austin, TX, home to Alex Jones?!

It also doesn't help curb suspicions when this crash happens next to the offices of the FBI and, of course, the CIA:

The building complex houses IRS, CIA and FBI offices

The structure, called the Echelon building, is located in the 9400 block of Research Boulevard in Austin, Texas, and houses offices for the Internal Revenue Service, including its civil enforcement and criminal investigation divisions, reports the Austin Statesmen. Offices for the CIA and FBI are also locted in the building complex, but were not hit in the crash.

And if it was a PSYOP with bombs causing most of the damage to the IRS building, then it makes sense that they had a HAZMAT firetruck waiting across the street:

Reporter: "Is there anything else you would like to say after seeing this this morning?

Megan Riley: "I guess -- the one thing I'd like to say -- I know the Fire Dept got here real fast, because they actually had an engine sitting over there that just happened to be doing something with HAZMAT, so they were over here like right away.

Reporter: Wow!

You said it reporter, wow.

The firefighters and media even comment how "lucky" it was they were right across the street doing hazmat drills.

First responders say luck was on their side
2/19/2010
This is a story about being at the right place at the right time, with a little bit of bravery mixed in.
Those guys are about 15 firefighters from the West Lake, Oak Hill, Pflugerville, and Lake Travis fire departments. Thursday morning they were running hazmat drills in a parking lot across Highway 183, when they saw the plane.
"The chances could be one in a million," Lake Travis Fire Chief Robert Abbott said of the timing.
Because it was hazmat training, Lake Travis Engine 604 was the only fire truck on scene. But that didn't stop it from being the little engine that could, firefighters said.

One in a million? More like one in one.

This Austin plane crash is not being blamed on a lone-nut Muslim this time, but on a middle-aged white guy, Joseph Andrew Stack, who is being portrayed as part of one of the biggest emerging domestic threats, the right-wingish anti-govt, anti-tax teabagger crowd (which is reminiscent of when the government blamed the suspicous OKC bombing on the biggest emerging threat during the Clinton-era, the right-wing militias).

One problem though, Stack was not even a teabagger and if you read why he supposedly committed this attack, he doesn't even come across as a right-winger since he reportedly was extremely critical of "big brother," corporations, the Catholic church, and George W. Bush and ends with a saying that's communist-friendly and anti-capitalism.

The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

If Stack is some kind of patsy, then you'd expect his friends to be, you guessed it, "shocked" because they described him as an "easy going guy", never heard him talk about politics, about taxes, or about the government, a loving father who traveled to Norway every year to visit a daughter and grandchildren, the last guy you'd expect. That doesn't seem to fit the profile of "suicide pilot" to me.

More:

Acquaintances Saw No Anger in Pilot in I.R.S. Building Crash
Published: February 19, 2010
...no one could have seemed more normal than A. Joseph Stack III...
“I never saw Joe angry about anything,” said Billy Eli, a honkytonk bandleader who played with Mr. Stack for about three years in the mid-2000s. “He was just a middle-of-the-road kind of dude.”
...a portrait of Mr. Stack emerged as a companionable family man unrecognizable from the diatribe posted online in his name.
“A bit engineer-ish, but easygoing, even-tempered.”
When taxes came up in conversation, his tone seemed no more strident than the usual April 15th blues.
“... He didn’t have any ego."

Perhaps then we should wonder if the real reason his house burnt down before the crash was not because he was that disgruntled, but to burn away evidence the government doesn't want anybody to find out about him.

It's also interesting to note that the Hazmat witness Megan commented that the plane that hit the IRS building was close enough to see who was flying it, but she didn't see anyone in it. This is interesting because we never saw photos of Stack's body being hauled from the scene even though the plane he was supposedly piloted still remained in large pieces after the crash.

So if this was a PSYOP, why today? I don't know, but there sure was a lot of interesting stuff that either happened, or was reported about today:

But maybe the biggest story that the powers-that-be wanted to squash today is one that involved an organization that is just as synonymous with conspiracies as the CIA is:

Dubai police call on Interpol to help arrest Mossad head
Thursday 18 February 2010
Emirate '99% sure' Israeli spies were behind Mabhouh death
Israeli ambassador told to explain use of fake British passports
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Interpol releases 'wanted' notices for Dubai murder suspects
Thursday 18 February 2010
Official "wanted" notices were released today for a suspected team of Israeli secret agents accused of participating in the assassination of a Palestinian militant.
The faces of an 11-strong alleged hit squad appeared on the Interpol website this morning, 48 hours after authorities in the United Arab Emirates issued arrest warrants for the killing last month of the Hamas operative Mahmoud al-Mabhouh.

And what's a PSYOP without some spooky numerology connecting it to 9/11:

"A spokesman for the Austin fire department said the plane hit the building at 0956 local time"

9:56 --> 9:(5+6) = 9:11 --> 9/11

I also can't help but notice a lot of similarities to the false-flag Pentagon attack:

Both were 'suicide plane crashes'
Both were federal buildings
Both buildings are 7 stories tall
Both 'crashes' happened into side of building
Both epicenters were at the 1st floor
Both created huge explosions like a bomb attack
Both had firetrucks nearby
Both low in casualties respective of employee totals
Both places hit involved govt financial records

(Note that from the evidence I've seen about this Austin incident, I believe at this point that a real plane crashed there as officially claimed unlike the Pentagon and at the other two spots on 9/11. If this Austin crash was a PSYOP, then it would be logical to think the plane was remotely guided in. Hitting the side of a 7-story building with a speeding plane knowing your about to die seems a little too "lucky" in my opinion, but feel free to take my $10,000 challenge if you think you could do it with no problem.)

(Update 02/20/10)

Comment from Stack's daughter from Norway seems to suggest her father was set up:

Stack's daughter from his first marriage, Samantha Dawn Bell, said the Web manifesto didn't sound like the father she knew.
"It's not him. The letter itself sounds like it's coming from a different person," she said in an interview from her home in Norway.

The AP is suggesting the lowers floors were specifically targeted:

Stack, 53, apparently targeted the lower floors of the building that houses IRS offices after lashing out at the agency in a ranting manifesto posted on a Web site shortly before Thursday's attack. In the note, Stack claimed the government and the its tax code robbed him of his savings and ruined his career.

To me, this suggests remote control because I find it hard to believe Stack would be able to hit a specific floor on a specific side of a specific short 7-story building of that Echelon complex with pin-point accuracy knowing he's about to die.

(Update 02/24/10)
Interesting comment at a music forum that looks sincere and quite the smoking gun if true:

Re: airplane crash into office building in Austin, Texas

I was told that almost everybody on the first floor had the day off by a co-worker that attends classes in that building. It could have been much worse.

(hat tip to LT)

(Update: 02/26/10)
The Real Motive?

Texas attack revives debate over private jets
02/25/2010 - usatoday.com

In late 2008, the Transportation Security Administration made a stunning and little-noticed projection: If a private jet flew into an urban office building, 3,000 people could be killed. That's a higher death total than in the Sept. 11 attacks.

The TSA used the estimate to justify a plan to impose security rules on 15,000 private jets, including requirements that jet operators check passengers against watch lists and keep weapons off their planes.

The proposal was labeled as potentially crippling to jet owners. More than 7,000 protest letters from private pilots, businesses and aviation groups forced the TSA to rewrite its plan. A new proposal is likely late this year, and security rules could take effect in 2011 — a decade after the 9/11 attacks.
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TSA planning to inspect shops that repair jets
11/17/2009 - usatoday.com

Thousands of airplane maintenance shops in the U.S. and abroad would get increased scrutiny to make sure they are not easy prey for terrorists looking to sabotage U.S. jets during routine repairs, a government proposal says.

A TSA regulation proposed Monday would for the first time enable the agency to inspect airplane repair shops.

See also:

Host of Joe Stack’s Manifesto Site Deletes Claim That FBI Asked For Its Removal (02/20/10)
Joe Stack’s Intriguing Connections With Defense Contractors, Intelligence Agencies (02/23/10)
February 22, 1974 - Samuel Byck attempts to hijack a commercial plane and crash it into the White House in order to kill Richard Nixon.

Shanksville forest damage conflicts with official story

2010-02-12T17:36:00.000-08:00

Here's an aerial photo taken on 9/12 that shows the aftermath of something exploding in the forest and causing major damage to a section of trees, including breaking off the tops of some, and also fire damage:

Let's piece together the official story to see what supposedly caused the damaged to the forest:

"[Wally Miller] explained how the cockpit broke off at impact, bouncing into a wooded area of about 60 acres. The resulting fireball scorched about eight acres of trees, he said.
The remainder of the plane burrowed deep into the ground, creating a long, narrow crater."
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UA93 Memorial Ambassador:
"Parts of the cockpit broke off and went back into the woods, but the rest of it went straight down and the ground came in around it, so the actual hole wasn't very large. When the FBI went in for parts, body parts and what not, 35 to 40 feet down in the ground."
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"According to investigators, the cockpit of the aircraft separated from the plane upon impact and flew into the trees, where it disintegrated."
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"A reporter for a Harrisburg public radio station, Lambert said Flight 93's impact hurled the plane's cockpit and first-class section onto the wooded land that has been in his family since 1930."

So Flight 93's cockpit section broke off from hitting the ground and was hurled into the woods where it exploded and disintegrated, causing severe damaged to the section of the forest adjacent to where UA93 supposedly crashed.

My question is,

what's stored in a 757's cockpit to make it EXPLODE?

As mentioned in the official stories above, the remainder of the plane burrowed deep into the ground (see more reports saying most of UA93 buried here).

One of the landowners even says:

The plane "went in the ground so fast it didn’t have a chance to burn," says Jim [Svonavec].

This means only the 757's cockpit could have caused the forest damage, but I'm unaware of anything stored in the cockpit to make it explode like a bomb and cause fire damage.

So by that, the official story conflicts with the forest damage.

(I know the story about the cockpit breaking off while the rest of the plane burrowing underground is absurd in itself -- both that most of a 757 could burrow and if most could, that the cockpit and not the tailsection would be the section that managed *not* to burrow also -- and deserves its own thread, but I'm just using the official story to question the damaged forest.)

NRO's 9/11 'mock' plane crash set for 9:32am, drill included a smoke generator!

2010-02-04T13:48:00.000-08:00

(9/11 researcher Matt Everett (aka 'Shoestring') wrote a great article near last Sept 11th anniversary that revealed some new details about the CIA & NRO's extremely suspicious and coincidental plane crash 'drill' planned for 9/11 that a lot of people might of missed.)

If it couldn't get any more coincidental than US spy agencies planning to have a mock plane crash into a govt building on -- of all days -- 9/11, their mock plane crash was to happen at 9:32am*, just 5min before the official time that the Pentagon would be hit (9:37am).

(*Note that the times between 0931:57 and 0932:32 were mis-typed. The time stated for the mock crash should be 0932:25, or 9:32am. See end of this blogpost for further explanation.)

But the huge coincidences about this "drill" keep coming.

Remember when after the Pentagon was hit, the main producer of smoke outside the building was caused by a diesel generator that just "happened" to be at the right place at the right time to catch fire. The foam trucks had to focus their firefighting efforts more on the burning generator than the point of impact from the alleged Boeing 757 crash.

(Click here for animated gif.)

Well guess what the CIA and NRO planned to have for their plane crash "exercise"?

That's right, a generator to emit smoke.

There's another huge coincidence about the scheduled mock plane crash of 9:32am. One of the two clocks that had fallen inside the Pentagon from the explosion had stopped at the same time.

Clock reads 9:32 am

(Did you notice that the exact times were only 6 seconds apart! -- 0932:25 vs. 0932:31)

Researcher Barbara Honneger thinks these same times of 9:32am are no coincidence and makes a good case that the Pentagon attack actually happened at 9:32am, not 9:37 as officials claim.

The full list of coincidences between the CIA/NRO's "drill" and the real Pentagon attack:

Both took place on 9/11
Both of their buildings struck by airplanes (officially)
Both planes took off from Dulles Airport
Both crashes happened at practically the same time (or exactly the same time)
Both will have generators emitting smoke at near/same time.
Both will have casualites and badly burned employees needing evacuation from their buildings
Both will have fire trucks and EMT vehicle attending
All parties (CIA, NRO, Pentagon, Dulles) are in the same metropolitan area

NRO (A), Pentagon (B), Dulles (C), CIA (D)

What are the odds that the everything planned in the NRO's plane-crash-into-building "drill" would take place in real life at the Pentagon on the very same day just 5min later (officially), or maybe even the same exact time (unofficially)?

Then factor in the odds that the same thing would happen again just a couple of years later in London on 7/7.

London Underground Bombing 'Exercises'
Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack

Don't forget that not only did one of the bombs go off in Tavistock Square of all places, but Rudy Giuliani and Benjamin Netanyahu were both in London nearby when the attacks occured.

There comes a point when coincidences cease being coincidences.

See also:

More coincidences about the Pentagon attack
Pentagon Power Generator Oddity
The Pentagon Papers (PDF), by Barbara Honegger
NRO 9/11 drill manuscript archived at scribd.com
London bombing 'exercise' took place same time as 7/7 attack (Wikipedia)

*After the military time of 0931:57, the next time has an additional digit added to it (09310:01). It's obvious a typo that was supposed to be 0932:01. The last two times of 0931:28 and 0932:32 were when the mock tower was trying to call the mock plane and it went down and I doubt a control tower would wait a whole 1 min 4 sec after its first attempt to contact a downed plane. Also see the list "Exercise Inputs." Numerous phone calls were to be made at 0932 (9:32am) to report fires throughout the NRO's building because the mock plane just crashed into it. So the mock crash time was actually scheduled for 0932:25, or 9:32am, 5 min before the official Pentagon attack time of 9:37am.

Analysis by 'rSpieker' annihilates 'End of Serenity' photo

2010-02-02T15:48:00.000-08:00

I finally put up a great analysis by 9/11 researcher rSpieker which, as he poignantly puts it, spells the definite "End of Serenity" of a certain picture.

Flight 93 crash was a massive HOAX

2010-01-28T15:51:00.000-08:00

(This was my post that eventually got censored at TruTV)

After the alleged crash of Flight 93, hardly much of the large Boeing 757 looked to be left. Most of the plane seemed to have been obliterated.

(Photo taken within an hour after alleged crash.)

(Photo taken just a couple hours after alleged crash.)

Approx two weeks later, the FBI made an astonishing announcement to the media that refuted the assumption that most of Flight 93 obliterated. The FBI claimed that they had recovered a whopping 95% of the plane!

But do you see anywhere close to 95% of a Boeing 757 left at that field? Hardly. More like only 5% of a 757 left.

So where did most of the plane go if 95% was recovered?

Well get this. Officials claim that, because Flight 93 crashed at a 40deg angle into a patch of soft soil going so fast, most of the 757 actually burrowed underground!

(Simulation of how Flight 93 supposedly crashed and burrowed underground.)

But one only has to look at a closeup aerial photo of the shallow 10ft deep crater to know that is absurd.

To further the absurdity, the reason there is no deep 40deg angle hole in the ground that a Boeing 757 just supposedly bore down through is because after most of Flight 93 tunneled down into the ground, official said the loose soil fell back in on itself and covered the hole, thus blocking any view that most of Flight 93 was down there.

And if the official story couldn't get any more absurd, the section of Flight 93 that didn't find itself underground, but separated at impact and bounced in the woods was, get this, the cockpit.

Passenger Remains?

If a large plane crashed and most of it managed to burrow underground, the whereabouts of the passengers would be assumed to be mostly underground too since no bodies where witnessed at the scene (and amazingly, no blood!).

On 9/13, the FBI began excavating the shallow crater and announced to the media that they had found the first Black Box at 4:50 p.m. at a depth of 15ft under the crater. The media later reported that one of the plane's engine was also unearthed on 9/13.

On 9/14, the FBI announced to the media that they unearthed the plane's second Black Box at 8:25 p.m. at a depth of 25ft.

Then the FBI didn't announce anything more about what they recovered until 9/24 when they announced to the media that they finished their crash probe and had recovered a total of 95% of the plane.

Officials never told the public during their "investigation" where most of the passenger remains were found!

Incredibly, the only evidence that most of a Boeing 757 was below ground were two photos of just two plane parts, the one black box in the hole and the smashed up engine being unearthed.

So where the photos of the black boxes and one engine staged? Yes!

The photos of the black boxes show obvious signs that they were staged, most notably, doing the unprecedented thing of photographing one of the black boxes still down in the hole!

The photo of the unearthed engine is real obvious it was staged because if you are going to plant a plane engine, make sure it fits in the backhoe bucket you're going to lower it down and plant it with!

PrisonPlanet mod banned by 'Sane'

2010-01-26T15:44:00.000-08:00

Jerry9105 said...

FYI -- I was a moderator on that site and found myself suddenly banned by in-SANE also. Reason as I understood it had to do with me expressing myself about UFO's (I believe) and such, and the next thing I knew -- BANNED. I asked for my $$ back and got it and never went back.

1/26/2010 4:39 AM

Sorry to hear you got censored by (in)Sane Jerry.

Welcome to the club.

Banned at TruTV Forum

2010-01-16T19:10:00.000-08:00

You have been banned for the following reason:
spam advtg. his site plus most posts are to start trouble
Date the ban will be lifted: Never

Let's see here, you can post links to other people's sites for information for a debate, but posting links to your own non-commercial site for the same reason is a no no. Apparently one of those unwritten rules.

And most of my posts there were to "start trouble." That's weird, most of my posts were about 9/11 being a conspiracy that I posted in TruTV's forum section called CONSPIRACY THEORY WITH JESSE VENTURA.

And what's really funny is right before they banned me, I just reported two posts from skeptic trolls for -- guess? -- that's right, them starting trouble (as to be expected from your average JREF skeptic troll).

Getting banned there is harsh. They delete all of your posts. Just ask skeptic troll "Deelite." =)

Lucky for me though, the first person to respond in my Flight 93 crash hoax thread (currently the 3rd highest viewed thread) just happened to quote my entire original post. Whew.

(Update: 01/17/10) TruTV's censoring moderator "Coldwater" obviously didn't like this blogpost and has further censored me:

01-17-2010, 11:41 PM
Coldwater
Moderator

All "killtown" posts and any who quoted him have been removed. If you want to continue to discuss this with him go to his site he was advertising.

Yay censorship!

See also:

Banned from

Year-end review of my 9/11 research (2009)

2009-12-31T19:25:00.000-08:00

February

Only ONE photo shows alleged Flight 93 debris being excavated . . . and Pat Curley is a moron

You'd think if 80% of a Boeing 757 was dug out of the ground, there would be more than only one photo to prove it. Then, ScrewLoose's Pat "P.O.S." Curly gets severely served when his juvenile attempt to ridicule me backfires and also leads me to find a new smoking gun!

March

The Boeing 757 Challenge!

I issued this challenge for skeptics to prove the part of the official story that says most of Flight 93 buried itself underground. Not only has no one been able to pass my challenge, most skeptics actually agree with me that most of Flight 93 didn't bury itself! However, they contend most of the plane burying is not the official story and that most of Flight 93's wreckage remained above ground, but offer no estimate of what percentage that was (of course).

April

Hoodwink at Shanksville: One

If a plane crashed and 95% of it was able to be recovered, you'd think there would be lots of photos showing lots of debris with the logo colors of what Airlines the plane was from. Guess how many show what Airlines the plane that allegedly crashed in Shanksville was?

Most pressing question about the Shanksville 'crash'

Skeptics are in quite a pickle by believing 95% of Flight 93 was recovered at the scene, but can't locate where the bulk of that amount of wreckage was before the cleanup started.

September

Officials claim Flight 93's cockpit 'broke off' into the woods; remains were found inside

Arguably the most absurd claim of the alleged Shanksville crash.

October

Flight 93 'literally went into the ground' - Official Claim

Ambassador at the Flight 93 memorial telling tourists that most of Flight 93 buried itself after impact, a claim even most skeptics don't believe!

December

Govt jump the gun too on announcing Flight 93's black boxes found?

Or did Flight 93 have four recorders?!

Where were those 'puddles of jet fuel' at Shanksville?

2009-12-30T18:33:00.000-08:00

Skeptics love to site claims of puddles of fuel at the Shanksville scene as evidence that Flight 93 crashed there.

- 7) Hundreds of first responders (mostly volunteer firefighters) and crime scene investigators were quickly on the scene. They saw... jet fuel

- Upon arrival, firefighters found small pieces of the plane, spot fires, and a large quantity of fuel scattered across a wide debris field

- The smell of jet fuel was overpowering

- He can remember his first time there, 10.45am, Tuesday, September 11  the stench of jet fuel, still puddled on the ground

Can you find where these fuel puddles were supposedly located?

I couldn't.

Govt jump the gun too on announcing Flight 93's black boxes found?

2009-12-05T00:27:00.000-08:00

I was scrolling through my Flight 93 news archive and came across this:

Flight 93
Jetliner Was Diverted Toward Washington Before Crash in Pa.

By Charles Lane and Philip Pan
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, September 12, 2001

Authorities late today recovered the plane's flight-data and cockpit-voice recorders, government sources said. These should permit authorities to reconstruct what went on in the cockpit during the flight.

Whoa, hold on there. Both found on the 12th?

I thought the government said they found the Flight Data Recorder on 9/13 at 4:50 pm, 15ft below ground, and found the Cockpit Voice Recorder on 9/14 at 8:25 pm, 25ft below ground?!

Is this another slip of the government announcing their official script too early like with the collapses of the North Tower and WTC 7?

Unfortunately the body of the original WP article no longer shows and no archive of it shows up at wayback. However, it's supposedly archived at HighBeam if you have an account there. It looks like I'm the only one who archived most of the article (and I had even bolded the smoking gun part, but didn't realize it until now!).

See also where I show how obvious the Black Boxes were staged.

Accompanying video for this blogpost.

Jesse Ventura, check out your truTV forum

2009-12-04T01:25:00.000-08:00

I've got a great idea there for your new Conspiracy show.

Now on Facebook

2009-12-01T08:47:00.000-08:00

Finally.

facebook.com/killtown

'Col. Jenny Sparks' blackmailed 'Slick' to close 911movement.org forum

2009-11-26T15:02:00.000-08:00

(Updated: 12/09/09)

Alleged truther Jo Cressy (a.k.a. "Col. Jenny Sparks" and "Apollo" and countless other sockpuppets) blackmailed 911movement.org owner 'Slick' to close the forum.

Cressy, who's been trying to out me for a while now, threatened to post personal information about Slick's wife (fellow forum admin "Riverside Mamma") on Cressy's "KSA" cyberstalking blog if Slick didn't shut down the forum.

Cressy, a Portland resident who brags she can deadlift 245lbs and a virulent no-planes hater who mostly hangs out at truthaction forum, runs her cyberstalking blog with the help of 911taboo.net owner Scott Vincent (a.k.a. "Genghis6199"), an Australian no-planes supporter who thinks Val McClatchey's photo was faked by the FBI and who is a pedophile who used to date a 16yr-old girl nicknamed "Pumpkin" while he was in his mid-30's. (Genghis, haven't you ever heard the phrase 16 will get you 20?)

Cressy has been helping Genghis cyberstalk me and whoever they deem "associates" of mine after Genghis contacted Cressy for help with stalking well-known female 9/11 truth activist JenniferW after she rejected Genghis' advances.

Genghis threatened to give JenW's home address to Cressy's private detective "Tammy Brown" (who's actually another Cressy sockpuppet!) and he has also threatened JenW with some real "creepyville" cyberstalking tactics, such as making a porn mash with the faces of JenW and her daughter's, spreading wild untrue accusations about her in videos, and even made the quote "lets all remember what jennifer has to lose," referring to JenW's daughter. Jo Cressy is aware of all of this.

Also, Canadian Jeff Hill (a.k.a. "Shure"), most known for calling people and recording them without their consent and owner of pumpitout forum where Cressy also hangs out at as "Jenny", looks to be an accomplice in this blackmailing because somebody gave Cressy Slick's email and Jeff had posted on his forum that he had been talking to Slick through email just before Slick took the forum down.

911movement.org forum was not closed by Invisionfree for TOS violations (Invisionfree can't shut down 3rd-party domain names). It was not closed by some government conspiracy as some wild imaginations have speculated. Both the forum and domain name were closed by Slick because Slick was blackmailed by Col. Jenny Sparks and Genghis with help from Shure.

Some other people Cressy is stalking:

CIT: The witch-hunt of "Col Jenny Sparks", "CIT Watch"

Skeptics: F' Jo Cressy. With a hammer., More on Jo Cressy, Jo Cressy and Scott Vincent are dumb, More Lies from Jenny Sparks

See also: Who's Behind The 'KSA' Stalker Blog?

New Flight 93 webpage: The Flight Recorders

2009-10-27T18:26:00.000-07:00

I added a new webpage about Flight 93's alleged flight recorders.

I've embedded both my videos about the black boxes there too; Back in Black boxes and More evidence 'Flight 93 recorder' photo was staged.

New homepage upon GeoCities closing

2009-10-26T12:16:00.000-07:00

Yahoo! is closing GeoCities today, so my original homepage at geocities.com/killtown will be no more.

My new homepage will be at killtown.911review.org. Feel free to link to this blog too.

Flight 93 'literally went into the ground' - Official Claim

2009-10-20T19:19:00.000-07:00

A Flight 93 Memorial Ambassador* telling visitors that the official claim is that most of the plane burrowed underground:

"Because where the plane hit the ground, it literally went into the ground! They had to excavate and try and recover what they could and this top picture shows the excavation that they did. They excavated down about 40 to 45 feet and the last pieces were recovered at about 30 to 35 feet."

Remember officials said they had to dig 15ft under the shallow crater before they started to find wreckage of the Flight 93 where they allegedly found the first black box at 15ft and eventually recovered a whopping 80% of the 63ton plane underground. The Ambassador above says officials found the last pieces at 35ft, so officials want us to believe that 80% of a 757 was compacted in only a 20ft space underground! Of course, no one as of yet has been able to prove a plane was actually under that shallow crater.

*The volunteer Ambassadors at the Memorial are trained to recite the official Flight 93 story:

"Today Ambassadors are at the temporary memorial every day of the year and have welcomed over one million visitors from all over the world. They have participated in rigorous educational training to become familiar with details of Flight 93 and the passengers and crewmembers to inform visitors about what happened here on 9/11."
- HonorFlight93.org

Simon Shack has a new forum

2009-10-19T19:33:00.000-07:00

Simon just started a new forum -- with a witty name -- in light of 911movement.org being down right now.

Forum is temporarily down

2009-10-11T13:03:00.000-07:00

Been down since last night. I'm trying to contact the other Admins to see what the problem is.

http://911movement.org

UPDATE:
A forum member couldn't help notice today's coincidental date that the forum is down: 10/11/9

UPDATE:
The forum is under temporary maintenance while we restructure things. Sorry for the inconvenience. Stay tuned for updates.

UPDATE:
Just waiting to hear back from InvisionFree. As they state on their site, it may take a while to complete.

UPDATE 10/17:
Was hoping to hear back from InvisionFree before the weekend, so let's hope for early next week.

UPDATE 11/26:
Forum was closed because owner 'Slick' was blackmailed.

Officials claim Flight 93's cockpit 'broke off' into the woods; remains were found inside

2009-09-01T20:30:00.001-07:00

[Updated: 08/13/10]

Even more absurd and laughable than the unbelievable official claim that 80% of Flight 93 had supposedly buried itself underground (which is still unproven btw) is the claim of what part of the thereby 20% of Flight 93 officials say didn't get buried:

Coroner remembers Sept. 11
"It was a day the world will never forget, and as the events of Sept. 11, 2001, began to unfold, the last thing Somerset County Coroner Wallace "Wally" Miller ever expected was to be thrust into the middle of the fray.
Miller recalled his arrival at the crash site about 20 minutes after the plane plummeted to the earth and described how the aircraft came down at a 45-degree angle. He explained how the cockpit broke off at impact, bouncing into a wooded area of about 60 acres. The resulting fireball scorched about eight acres of trees, he said.
The remainder of the plane burrowed deep into the ground, creating a long, narrow crater." - pittsburghlive.com (05/30/02)

Yep that's right, they are saying Flight 93's cockpit broke off and flew into the woods after it allegedly slammed into the ground at a blistering 580mph, the same ground that was supposedly so "soft" that the rest of the plane was able to easily burrow so far down into it that they had to dig 15ft below the shallow crater just to find it all.

And just look at the way Miller shows how he was told Flight 93 crashed to cause its cockpit to break off into the woods as he demonstrates it with his hands to researcher Domenick DiMaggio (aka "Terrorcell") during their interview back in Sept. '08:

"The explanation was, when the plane came in, it was coming low. It banked at a 90deg angle -- allegedly from the people, from the struggle in the cockpit.

The right wing hit the ground right there were the impact area is and as that happened, it took the front end...[does cartwheel hand gesture].

The front 1/3 of the plane, including the cockpit, slammed into the ground off of the wing and the front 1/3 broke off and flew up into the trees and there was a fireball behind it and the remaining 2/3'rds went down in the ground." - Wally Miller (Sept. 2008)

Began to cartwheel?

At 580mph??

With a force so strong that the rest of the plane behind it was able to bury itself so deep???

Now it's obvious by Mr. Miller saying "the explanation was" that he was told about this incredible cockpit-broke-off-into-the-woods story by the FBI, who were in charge of the scene. But it's puzzling why officials would describe to Miller a flight path that contradicts the flight path that would come from the alleged flight data recorder that shows the nose of the plane hitting the ground before the right wing!

And Miller was not the only local who was told of this unbelievable claim. Tim Lambert, one of the land owners of the area affected, was apparently told too and verifies that the cockpit-broke-off story came from the official investigators in charge of the scene:

Pennsylvania's Ground Zero
Written by Tim Lambert

"According to investigators, the cockpit of the aircraft separated from the plane upon impact and flew into the trees, where it disintegrated. The biggest portion of the aircraft that was recovered, a piece of the fuselage, was found after officials drained a pond some 2,500 yards away from the crater. The infamous three-page letter in Arabic encouraging the hijackers was also found nearby, along with credit cards and the plane's black boxes." - witf.org (Nov 2001)

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Flight 93 memorial gets a lift

"Tim Lambert, the owner of six acres of land at the crash site off Route 30 near Shanksville, officially donated the property for a memorial.

A reporter for a Harrisburg public radio station, Lambert said Flight 93's impact hurled the plane's cockpit and first-class section onto the wooded land that has been in his family since 1930." - post-gazette.com (12/06/02)

Funny the FBI told this claim to the locals involved and didn't directly report it to the media right away. The first news article that included this claim as part of the official story wasn't until a year later and it was by a foreign news service!

"To the casual eye, it looked like solid, consolidated ground but in reality the reclaimed expanse was loose and uncompacted. When flight 93 hit the ground, the cockpit and first-class cabin broke off, scattered into millions of fragments that spread and flew like shrapnel into and through the trees 20 metres away." - theage.com.au (09/09/02)

And if you thought this claim about the cockpit couldn't get any wackier, check this out:

In the Senate of the United States
Monday, September 9, 2002
REMEMBERING ALAN BEAVEN
Hon. Dianne Feinstein of California

Madam President, I come to the floor today to honor the heroism of Alan Beaven--a Californian aboard flight 93 who helped prevent the terrorists from crashing another airplane into its intended target on September 11, 2001.
~
Even though Alan's seat was in the back of the airplane, his remains were found in the cockpit at the crash site in Pennsylvania. The Beaven family has also heard Alan on the cockpit voice recorder, so it is clear that Alan, standing 6 feet 3 inches tall and weighing over 200 pounds, fought with the hijackers.
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August 9, 2002.
Hon. Dianne Feinstein,
U.S. Senator,
Hart Senate Office Building, Washington, DC.

Dear Senator Feinstein: My father, Alan Beaven, was among those 33 passengers of United Airlines flight 93. Their hurried steps toward the cockpit were the first in an international campaign against the threat of fanatical hostility. For this they should be celebrated.
~
Secondly, my father's remains were recovered in the front of the aircraft. Authorities confirmed that D.N.A. testing placed him in the cockpit at the time of impact. Again, given his seating placement, this evidence undoubtedly proves his centrality in the effort to regain custody of United's flight 93.
~
Sincerely,
Chris Beaven
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August 1, 2002.
Hon. Dianne Feinstein,
U.S. Senate, Hart Senate Office Building, Washington, DC.

Dear Senator Feinstein: On April 18, 2002, in Princeton, NJ, I heard the voice of my husband, Alan Beaven, on the cockpit voice recorder of United Airlines flight 93 that crashed in Shanksville, PA, on September 11, 2001.
~
As you know, Alan's physical remains were found in the cockpit area of the plane. Alan was a 6 foot 3 inch, 205 lb powerful man.
~
Sincerely,
Mrs. Kimberly Beaven.
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ALAN BEAVEN: IN MEMORIAM
Hon. Barbara Boxer
of california

Alan Beaven was one of many heroes on flight 93 who, aware of the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, chose to fight back against the hijacking terrorists. His voice was recognized by his family on the cockpit voice recorder, and his remains were found in the wreckage of the cockpit.
- gpoaccess.gov

Uh, this sounds like they are saying the cockpit was actually still somewhat intact after the alleged crash if passenger remains* were found inside! So two questions, are the officials who told Mr. Beaven's family members, who in turn seems to have told Senators Feinstein and Boxer, this saying this intact cockpit was above ground, or below ground, and are there any photos of this alleged still-intact cockpit allegedly with passenger remains found still inside because I GOT TO SEE THAT TO BELIEVE THIS WHOPPER OF A CLAIM?!!

(*Remember that officials are claiming they found only 8% of the 44 passenger's total body mass at the scene.)

I first mentioned this unbelievable cockpit claim back in Nov. 2006 and again last March in my Boeing 757 Challenge, but it is still not very well known within the truth movement, so thought I'd give it the recognition it deserves. Hat tips to Terrorcell, sunshine05, and DoYouEverWonder for their interview and article finds.

Guest on 'The Real Deal' with Jim Fetzer (Mon 31th)

2009-08-31T11:32:00.000-07:00

(Update: Listen to the archive of the show here.)

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Media not reporting when 'Flight 93 found buried' further proves it didn't

Only ONE photo shows alleged Flight 93 debris being excavated . . . and Pat Curley is a moron

Hoodwinked at Shanksville: The Boeing 757 Challenge

Banned at PoliticalForum.com

2009-08-11T20:29:00.000-07:00

You have been banned for the following reason:
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Date the ban will be lifted: Never

Well this was a surprise . . . sorta. (I guess I shouldn't be surprised about getting banned out of the blue considering how moderators love to censor me).

I saw some skeptics trashing me over there and decided to log in and that's when I saw that they banned me (funny the skeptics never get banned for their personal attacks!).

As you can read, no reason was specified. I did try to create a thread a couple of weeks ago about The Boeing 757 Challenge regarding the non-plane crash at Shanksville, but it had to be "pre-approved" and obviously never got approved.

Hard to believe that would be a reason to ban me there for life.

See my banned from list.

Archive of reports that most of Flight 93 had buried

2009-07-21T15:05:00.000-07:00

From News Reports:

2 planes had no part in crash of Flight 93
September 16, 2001
"The voice recorder would have picked up the last 30 minutes of conversation in the cockpit, unless the hijackers turned it off or it was too severely damaged in the crash. It was found around 8:25 p.m. Thursday, 25 feet below the ground in the crater gouged out by the doomed jet. It appeared to be in good condition.
Debris from the crash has been found up to 8 miles from the crash site, but searchers are concentrating on the crater where most of the remains are located." - post-gazette.com

Local WTC Survivor Describes Escape
September 18, 2001
"One week after United Flight 93 crashed in Somerset County, workers continued to search through the debris in hope of finding answers to why the plane, allegedly on target for Washington, D.C., fell to earth in Pennsylvania.
Workers have now gone 30 feet into the crater created by Flight 93 and are finding larger pieces of debris. Originally, all that could be seen were tiny pieces of evidence that the plane went down Sept. 11 in the rural community near Shanksville, Pa.
Last week, the largest items found were no bigger than a briefcase." - wtae.com

Support of strangers in Somerset County a boost to survivors of Flight 93 victims
September 19, 2001
"The area surrounding the impact was barely recognizable as a crash site in the first day or two after the attack. Yesterday, the impact crater was flanked by mounds of excavated dirt and heavy equipment.
The excavated area within the wedge-shaped crater is now some 30 feet deep, and Crowley said investigators did not plan to go much deeper.

Recovery experts believe that the remaining 20 percent may yield an increasing concentration of evidence, human remains and effects.
As investigators have delved deeper below the impact point the material unearthed has become increasingly larger and more recognizable than the extremely fragmented debris found nearer the surface.
Crowley would not be more specific about the size or nature of any newly found items , but said, "As they go deeper, they're finding material that's more significant, I'll leave it at that." - post-gazette.com

Stoic father visits Somerset crash site of Flight 93 to say thanks
September 20, 2001
"Recovery work, which officials estimate could last another two to four weeks, is yielding larger parts of the jetliner as teams sift deeper into the crater left by its impact." - post-gazette.com

Coroner's quiet unflappability helps him take charge of Somerset tragedy

October 15, 2001

"Even in the middle of it all, where trees were scorched and the Boeing 757's fuselage disintegrated in a crater that collapsed on itself to leave a gouge maybe 14 feet across, the destruction was so complete that it was hard to imagine what happened." - post-gazette.com

We know it crashed, but not why
November 18, 2001
"THE DEBRIS FIELD. The reclaimed mine where the plane crashed is composed of very soft soil, and searchers say much of the wreckage was found buried 20-25 feet below the large crater." - dailynews.philly.com

Coroner remembers Sept. 11
May 30, 2002
"Miller recalled his arrival at the crash site about 20 minutes after the plane plummeted to the earth and described how the aircraft came down at a 45-degree angle. He explained how the cockpit broke off at impact, bouncing into a wooded area of about 60 acres. The resulting fireball scorched about eight acres of trees, he said.
The remainder of the plane burrowed deep into the ground, creating a long, narrow crater." - pittsburghlive.com

CNN WOLF BLITZER REPORTS
Senate Debates Attack on Iraq; Did Russian Mob Attempt to Fix Olympics?
Aired July 31, 2002
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT.
BLITZER: Jere Longman covered the aftermath of the Flight 93, the crash on the ground in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. And his book, "Among The Heroes," is the product of hundreds of interviews. He joins us now from New York.
JERE LONGMAN, AUTHOR, "AMONG THE HEROES": The final struggle began about 9:58, five minutes before the plane crashed, according to the family members who heard the tape and saw a transcript and were allowed to take notes. [snip] And then, there was a final rushing sound at about 10 minutes after three -- excuse me, three minutes after 10. The plane crashed. It turned upside down going 575 miles-an-hour and burrowed 35 feet into the ground." - cnn.com

On Hallowed Ground
September 9 2002
"In its final moments, it spun 180 degrees, hitting the ground upside down and at a 45-degree angle.
When flight 93 hit the ground, the cockpit and first-class cabin broke off, scattered into millions of fragments that spread and flew like shrapnel into and through the trees 20 metres away.
The rest of the 757 continued its downward passage, the sandy loam closing behind it like the door of a tomb. Eventually these pieces and its human cargo... came to rest against solid rock, 23 metres below the surface." - theage.com.au

The day that changed America

Wednesday, September 11, 2002

"The plane pitched, then rolled, belly up. It hit nose-first, like a lawn dart. It disintegrated, digging more than 30 feet into the earth, which was spongy from the old mine work." - pittsburghlive.com

Families of Flight 93 victims gather at Shanksville crash site
September 11, 2002
"Yesterday, he was shown where the Newark-to-San-Francisco-bound Boeing 757 corkscrewed into the ground at more than 507 mph." - post-gazette.com

Town embraces role it never sought

September 11, 2002

"The strip mine is composed of very soft black soil, and searchers said much of the wreckage was found buried 20 to 25 feet below the large crater." - southcoasttoday.com

Terrorism awakened a sleepy Shanksville

"After buzzing Somerset County, Flight 93 burrowed into a secluded field that was a reclaimed strip mine, two miles from the district’s only school and its 500 pre-kindergarten to senior high school students." - gannettonline.com

Day of remembrance

Published: 09/12/02

"At 10:06 a.m., the final services began on a field near Shanksville, Pa., where United Flight 93 burrowed into the ground when passengers thwarted terrorists' plans to crash the plane into the Capitol or the White House." - thenewstribune.com

Small town shoulders a nation's grief

published September 10, 2003

"The site had been mined for coal, then refilled with dirt. It was still soft when Flight 93 crashed, and firefighters said the Boeing 757 tunneled right in. They had to dig 15 feet to find it." - sptimes.com

At Flight 93 crash site, family members return; lack of hoopla welcome

Friday, September 12, 2003

"Bagpipe music drifted over a hill and into this tranquil valley as nearly 40 family members returned to weep, pray and leave flowers on the ground that swallowed their loved ones on Sept. 11, 2001." - post-gazette.com

Sacred Ground in Pennsylvania

Sept 2006

"But it took a while to identify the exact location of impact because there was no plane visible. Sally remembers Jamie phoning them from the site and saying, “There is no plane there, believe me.”

The location was eventually determined because of some disturbed ground in front of a grove of charred evergreens, explains Jamie. The ground had swallowed up much of the wreckage.

The plane "went in the ground so fast it didn’t have a chance to burn," says Jim [Svonavec].

The flight data recorder was located on September 13, some 15 feet underground. The following day, the cockpit voice recorder was unearthed at a depth of 25 feet." - americancatholic.org

Memories of Flight 93 crash still fresh at 5-year anniversary

Sunday, September 03, 2006

"State police Maj. Frank Monaco remembers the crash site as a "smoking hole in the ground."

"It didn't look like a plane crash," says Maj. Monaco, 56, from New Kensington.

The plane had burrowed into the soft, reclaimed earth of the former strip mine and crumpled like an accordion, he says."
Veteran FBI agent Michael Soohy had been to airplane crash scenes before, and he thought he knew what to expect: chaos, bodies, a hulking wreck of a jet.
"I don't think anyone expected to see what they didn't see," said the 50-year-old who grew up near Johnstown. "It's almost like a dart hitting a pile of flour. ... The plane went in, and the stuff back-filled right over it." - post-gazette.com

Flight 93 caretakers

September 11, 2008

"Waiting to hear stories about the brave passengers and crew of doomed Flight93, waiting to pay their respects, waiting to sit on benches and gaze across a field decorated with white Queen Anne's lace to the spot where a streaking jet was swallowed up by the earth." - baltimoresun.com

Pennsylvania Firefighters Share Bond With Flight 93 Families

Posted: 09-11-2008

'Dave Andolina, who drove the Central City fire engine to the crash, said it was a hopeless feeling when he arrived. "There was nothing. There were a few spot fires. There were no big pieces, nothing."

Shanksville Chief Terry Shaffer said the earth literally opened, swallowed the aircraft and closed up. He said the ground at the site was soft because it had been a strip mine." - firehouse.com

From books about the official story:

"I didn't see a single piece of airplane anywhere... Little could be found. Because of the reclaimed strip mine, the ground was softer than other surrounding areas. The plane had pierced the earth like a spoon in a cup of coffee: the spoon forced the coffee back, and then the coffee immediately closed around the spoon as though nothing had troubled the surface. Anything that remained of Flight 93 was buried deep in the ground."

(Lisa Beamer, Let's Roll!: Ordinary People, Extraordinary Courage, July 2002, p. 231) [reprint]

"Bill Baker, the 911 Addressing Specialist for Somerset County's Emergency Management Agency: "When they said it was a 757, I looked out across the debris field. I said, 'There is no way there is a 757 scattered here.' At that time, we didn't know that it was in the hole."

(Kashurba, Courage After the Crash: Flight 93 Aftermath, Aug 2002, p. 42-43) [reprint]

"The fuselage accordioned on itself more than thirty feet into the porous, backfilled ground. It was as if a marble had been dropped into water."

(Longman, Among the Heroes, July 2003, p. 215)

From interviews of local officials:

Barry Lichty, Mayor of Indian Lake: "92%-93% of the remains of the aircraft and the people are still in that hole."

Wally Miller (2008): "The explanation was, when the plane came in, it was coming low. It banked at a 90deg angle -- allegedly from the people, from the struggle in the cockpit.
The right wing hit the ground right there were the impact area is and as that happened, it took the front end...[does cartwheel hand gesture].
The front 1/3 of the plane, including the cockpit, slammed into the ground off of the wing and the front 1/3 broke off and flew up into the trees and there was a fireball behind it and the remaining 2/3'rds went down in the ground."

From TV documentary channels

102 Minutes That Changed America
Release date September 11, 2008
BATTLE FOR FLIGHT 93
"There was not much left at the crash site. The impact of the fireball from the jet-fuel loaded 757 scorched hundreds of acres of earth around the site and set the surrounding trees ablaze for hours. The fuselage had burrowed so far into the earth that the "black box" was found at a depth of 25 feet below ground." - history.com

Flight 93 Memorial Ambassadors:

Female Ambassador: "...before impact, [Flight 93] turned on its back and then it just telescoped into the ground. It hit at 580mph, which is cruising speed.
Gideon: How much of the plane was recovered?
Ambassador: Over 90%.
Gideon: Where was it -- was it all found in the crater?
Ambassador: Basically all in the crater.
There were few small pieces [above ground], but basically everything was recovered from in the ground."

Female Ambassador: "80% of the plane was in the crater"

Roxxane, Ambassador: "The plane came in upside down, went into the ground at a 45 degree angle. They were going 580mph when they hit."

Male Ambassador: "Because where the plane hit the ground, it literally went into the ground. They had to excavate and try and recover what they could and this top picture shows the excavation that they did. They excavated down about 40 to 45 feet and the last pieces were recovered at about 30 to 35 feet."

Male Ambassador: "The plane came in at about a 40 degree angle, going 560 mph, hit that soft ground, slammed into that rocky wall and completely disintegrated. Parts of the cockpit broke off and went back into the woods, but the rest of it went straight down and the ground came in around it, so the actual hole wasn't very large. When the FBI went in for parts, body parts and what not, 35 to 40 feet down in the ground."

From official sources:

- Response and Recovery - Shanksville, Pennsylvania‬
Buried in the Ground
"The plane was utterly destroyed because the hijackers drove it into an abandoned strip mine at more than 580 miles an hour at a sharp angle. Much of the plane and its contents were found beneath the soft dirt.
Eventually the excavated crater measured 100 feet across and 35 feet deep." - fbi.gov

- Flight 93 National Memorial Final General Management Plan/Environmental Impact Statement
"Reports of investigators and emergency response personnel indicate that during the crash, the plane impacted the relatively soft strip-mine backfill, plowed to a depth of 30 ft, then collided with the remaining strip excavation rock highwall, causing the plane to explode." - Chapter III – Affected Environment; pg. 24 - nps.gov (PDF)

New 'Hoodwinked': "One"

2009-04-10T18:15:00.000-07:00

Hoodwinked at Shanksville: "One"

Guest on 'The Real Deal' with Jim Fetzer (Wed 8th)

2009-04-08T12:22:00.000-07:00

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HoodwinkedatShanksville.blogspot.com

Most pressing question about the Shanksville 'crash'

2009-04-05T11:10:00.000-07:00

Where was the bulk of the plane wreckage before the cleanup started?

(Source, hi-res, local)

(Above aerial photos taken hours after alleged crash. Source, hi-res, local)

Remember that the FBI are telling us that they recovered an astonishing "95%" of Flight 93 after is supposedly crashed in the above field.

FBI finished with Pennsylvania crash site probe

"The FBI announced Monday that its investigation of the site where a hijacked jet slammed into a field here is complete and that 95 percent of the plane was recovered.
Evidence-gathering was halted Saturday afternoon and the pieces of United Airlines Flight 93 that had been recovered were turned over Sunday to the airline, with the exception of the flight data recorder and the voice recorder, which are being held and analyzed by the FBI, according to FBI agent Bill Crowley." - CNN (09/24/01)

Also remember that the county coroner Wally Miller commented how "eerie" it was that he never saw a drop of blood at the scene.

"It was the most eerie thing," Miller recalled... I've seen a lot of highway fatalities where there's fragmentation," Miller said. "The interesting thing about this particular case is that I haven't, to this day, 11 months later, seen any single drop of blood. Not a drop." - The Age (09/09/02)

(Update 04/06/09: The 'Moussaoui' website has taken down all its 9/11 photos. Source links have been fixed.)

See also:

The Boeing 757 Challenge

The 'Solid Stainless Steel Plane' Theory

2009-03-24T21:41:00.000-07:00

This is my new theory as to why the 2nd plane that is seen entirely penetrating through the South WTC Tower in the videos without crumpling, exploding, or any of the wings and tail section pieces being sheered off, and penetrates with no resistance as if it were passing through a cloud:

It was a Solid Stainless Steel plane!

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D.Duck has a competing theory, the Concrete Plane theory:

How about CPT (concrete plane theory).

The plane was a concrete plane, you can clearly see it with your own eyes that it turns to dust when it hits the south wall.

D.Duck

The Boeing 757 Challenge!

2009-03-20T17:16:00.000-07:00

New Hoodwinked at Shanksville episode.

Only ONE photo shows alleged Flight 93 debris being excavated . . . and Pat Curley is a moron

2009-02-21T18:23:00.000-08:00

On the Jim Fetzer show I did on Feb 11th, Jim and I were discussing how ridiculous it was that a 757 crashed in that empty field in Shanksville. I was mentioning how absurd it was that even though we were told that about 80% of Flight 93 was said to be recovered out of the hole it supposedly made after burrowing underground (even though there wasn't any actual hole visible, but just a crater), only one photo was released to the public that supposedly showed plane debris being excavated out of the ground; a photo of a small rusty-looking engine piece next to a backhoe bucket:

I showed in one of my Hoodwinked at Shanksville episodes that the engine in this photo was not dug out of the ground, but was merely placed in the excavated hole by the very backhoe bucket seen next to it in the photo.

ScrewLooseChange blogger, Pat Curley, apparently caught the show and tries to debunk my claim that only one photo shows any evidence of plane debris being excavated out of ground in Shanksville. He starts out with his well-known infantile name-calling in the blog title to try to character-assassinate me, then posts two photos of alleged recovered Flight 93 debris and asks why I neglected to talk about them.

Killclown on Fetzer

I happened to listen to these two jokers while on a ride this afternoon. I have not listened to the entire segment, but it's laughable how they stick with bogus claims that have been disproven repeatedly. At one point, Killtown talks about how they only pulled one piece of the plane out of the hole in Shanksville, something that looked like a motor.

But of course he neglects to talk about this piece...

Why is that, Killclown?

Well Pat Curley, (or should I call you childish names like "Pat Clown"?), the reason I neglected to talk about those two photo was because I was talking about photos that show plane debris being excavated out of the ground that would offer some evidence to support the official claim that 30+ cars-worth of debris was pulled out of that ground, not photos showing pieces of dirt-free plane debris just lying on top the ground moron.

Calling me childish names and trying to ridicule me for this claim, yet you got it totally wrong. How embarrassing for you. Maybe your Mom and Dad should have raised you to be more mature so they wouldn't have to suffer the indignity to see how their grown child behaves.

Now since you mentioned the other two photos, let's do discuss them:

Exh. GX-P200061 (intr'd: 04/11/2006) Photograph of an airplane part found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed. - rcfp.org/moussaoui [hi-res]

Exh. GX-P200062 (intr'd: 04/11/2006) Photograph of an airplane part found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed. - rcfp.org/moussaoui [hi-res]

1. Other than a non-governmental website saying so, what hard evidence is there exactly that these two pieces of plane debris are from Flight 93, or that these two photos were even taken at the Shanksville scene?

All I see are a couple of photos that by themselves don't tell me where they were taken (unlike the photo of the engine scrap where you can see it's taken at the Shanksville scene) and of the pieces of debris themselves, how can you be sure those pieces didn't come from some other plane that crashed, or even from ones that were dismantled?

2. Since we were told Flight 93 crashed into a loose and uncompacted field at a whopping 580mph, how did those two big fuselage pieces manage to escape from burrowing underground when most of the plane, including both its black boxes located way back in the tail section were supposedly recovered 15ft and 25ft under?

3. About the window debris, all of its insulation (including its windows) have been totally stripped away from it and from the bent corners that expose its outside surface, its paint looks to be stripped away from it too.

How do you think it managed to get all of its insulation and paint totally stripped off of it, yet it seems to have landed in the forest(?) while most of the rest of the plane supposedly burrowed underground in the field and that other debris piece you showed seems to have all of its paint on its outside surface intact??? Since the window piece's paint scheme is missing on its exposed outside surfaces, how do you even know it comes from a United Airlines plane?

4. Why does the inside of the window piece look dark and rusty, yet the inside of the other piece you show is practically white?

Inside of window piece (left) looks darker and rusty.
Inside of painted piece (right) look practically white.

Is it also a coincidence that this widow piece looks a bit rusted like the engine scrap piece above that I showed how it was planted?!

5. Can you show me on a map where those two pieces were found?

6. If a government did fake a plane crash, do you think you would be able to spot that it's fake?

See if you can answer these questions without childish name calling, snide remarks, or drifting off topic. Remember, your actions reflect on how well your Mom and Dad raised you.

Guest on 'The Real Deal' with Jim Fetzer (Wed 11th)

2009-02-11T01:39:00.000-08:00

(Update: Archive)

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TV Fakery test runs minutes before live 2nd WTC hit?
Hezarkhunning - 3 more clues...
Air vs. Skyscraper
The 2urists
9/11 planes melted into WTC just like in Flight Simulator
Article: Why They Didn't Use Planes To Hit The WTC

Guest on Revere Radio's 'The Final Round' with 'SoulReal' -- (Friday 16th)

2009-01-12T15:59:00.000-08:00

(Update: Full archive. Partial archive below:)

The above is a partial archive of most of the relevant parts of the show regarding the discussion about the No-Planes @ WTC theory. The full archive is over 2 hours. I'll post the link when the host uploads the show to his website.

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The Final Round
Host: Karl (a.k.a. "SoulReal")
Friday Jan 16, 2009
10-12 pm EST / 7 - 9 pm PST
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'Low Rider' gets 'Fairy Tail' axed at YouTube

2009-01-05T22:39:00.000-08:00

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Don't worry though, you can watch Hoodwinked at Shanksville: Fairy Tail (which has never been debunked) with it's original soundtrack still:

Hoodwinked at Shanksville: Fairy Tail

Jennifer Spell gets 'Laser Light' myth video axed at YouTube

2008-12-23T22:51:00.000-08:00

A little over two weeks after "Shure" from PumpItOut.com posted on Dec. 4 that he called Jennifer Spell, who filmed the 2nd WTC crash video infamous for creating the "laser light" theory (it was just a piece of piece of paper), Ms. Spell goes on a rampage and gets all copies of her 2nd crash video taken down at YouTube, including one of mine:

Dear Member:

This is to notify you that we have removed or disabled access to the following material as a result of a third-party notification by Jennifer Spell claiming that this material is infringing:

The 'Laser Light' @ the WTC Myth (ver 2): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7PFnChoCXs

Please Note: Repeat incidents of copyright infringement will result in the deletion of your account and all videos uploaded to that account. In order to prevent this from happening, please delete any videos to which you do not own the rights, and refrain from uploading additional videos that infringe on the copyrights of others. For more information about YouTube's copyright policy, please read the Copyright Tips guide.

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Here is the "Laser Light" myth video that was axed at YouTube:

The 'Laser Light' @ the WTC Myth (ver 2)

Things heating up in Val McClatchey photo controversy

2008-12-10T00:19:00.000-08:00

Check out what resident Shanksville expert Domenick DiMaggio (a.k.a. "Terrorcell") has to say about if Val's infamous "Flight 93 photo" is fake, who faked it and why.

[52] WTC crash videos . . . so far

2008-12-04T11:00:00.000-08:00

(Update 12/07/08: One more new "amatuer" 2nd hit video released.)

There's been quite a few new South Tower crash videos coming out of the woodwork lately. That makes a total of 52 known WTC crash videos so far. All the latest ones are "amateur" with one showing a rare south face impact.

Here is a run-down of the newly released ones and their new nicknames:

"B&W" (Black & White)

One of three new videos released by the FBI in a FOIA request by Scott Bingham. Named after the video being in black and white making it the only B&W crash video (Can camcorders record in B&W?). No audio and filmer unknown. Shows the impact into the south face. The smoke oddly seems to "bounce" throughout the recording. Shot trajectory is between the Jennifer Spell and Brian Gately videos.

"Crane"

One of three new videos released by the FBI in a FOIA request by Scott Bingham. Named after the crane seen in front of the plane's path. No audio and filmer unknown. Camcorder is still the entire time and is aimed at the South Tower as if the filmer knows something is about to happen to it. Video shows no other buildings for reference point. Shot angle is closest to the Columbine video.

"End of the World"

One of three new videos released by the FBI in a FOIA request by Scott Bingham. Named after the unknown woman filmer who says "It's like the end of the world!" after the crash. The woman comments about the Tower exploding, but never mentions a plane. The shot trajectory is almost identical as the TinaCart1 video.

Fred Hadley

Released after seven years out of "reverence for the event" by the filmer Fred Hadley who, you guessed it, is in the film industry. Video was shot from his North Shore Towers apartment complex in Queens and just like so many of the other 2nd hit videos, when Mr. Hadley zooms in on the WTC, he focuses on the South Tower as if he knew something was about to happen to it. And if there couldn't be any more coincidences, Mr. Hadley uploaded his video to YouTube on Sept 10, 2008, the very same day as another new video shot from Queens that almost caught the 2nd hit (which that one has a similar trajectory line as the TinaCart2 video). Mr. Hadley's video shows a very prominent haze across the horizon where the WTC is which makes it look like the only other merky 2nd hit video, the Earth Station video, which coincidentally is was taken at a similar angle.

"SY 01"

This video is named after the "SY 01" letters seen in the upper-left corner of the screen. It is from a compilation of new crash videos found here. The source is unknown, the filmer is unknown, and it has no audio. The shot angle is closest to the Anthony Cotsifas photo.

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(Update)

"MSNBC OMG"

Named after being shown on MSNBC and an unknown woman in background heard saying "Oh my God!" twice. "Amateur" filmer unknown. Seems to have been shown on MSNBC only and perhaps only once and never again. Shows south face entry. Similar angle as the B&W video above and the Naka Nathaniel video. Catchs the "white elephant" plane in the upper right corner flying in towards the right just like the "Flight 175 plane." Video does remarkable zoom-in to catch the "plane" as so many other 2nd hit videos do.

Btw, I've been working on upgrading my 2nd hit page since it's gotten too big. It will have a new name and sub-pages. I'll post a notice when it's done.

Is funny-looking alleged 2nd WTC hit witness really actor and 'truther' Gary Welz?

2008-11-07T10:34:00.000-08:00

Notice Gary Welz and the 'funny man' seem to have the same crazy hair, receding hairline, earlobe, and crooked teeth. (Left and right photos from garywelz.com)

MSNBC aired a clip of an anonymous funny-looking and sounding man (@:19) with big dorky glasses and a bad receding hairdo who supposedly was an eyewitness to the 2nd WTC "plane" crash. The clip of this man only seems to have aired once.

"...and dove to the other side and crashed right in and the explosion was so terrific it looked like it had dynamite in it. The ball of fire that came flying out of that one was even worse than the first one and we were standing there and I said "I can't believe this!" and sure enough, there it was another plane. The plane wasn't no airliner or anything, it was a twin-engine big grey plane."

Did this funny-looking guy really witness a plane crash into the South Tower, or is he really a scripted actor played by none other than actor, comedian, voice impression expert, terrorist/suicide bomber script playwriter, and alleged 9/11 truther and also alleged 2nd plane witness Gary Welz (who's story about him seeing the 2nd plane crash keeps evolving)?

(This post was formerly here.)

Shure: Jack Blood & Dylan Avery admit to TV fakery; Cuccurillo confirms; Dylan denies

2008-10-15T12:28:00.000-07:00

(Update: 10/16/08)

I think I'm going to let all the he said/she she unfold here.

Guest on the Jim Fetzer show (Oct 14)

2008-10-14T09:49:00.000-07:00

The Dynamic Duo

Host: Jim Fetzer

4 - 6 pm CST

Call In Number: 1-866-582-9933

Listen Live - Network 4

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TV Fakery test runs minutes before the live 2nd WTC hit?

CBS Prez warned in 2000 about fake plane crashes

Hezarkhunning - 3 more clues...

Why They Didn't Use Planes To Hit The WTC

Banned by 'free speech advocate' Krisboro

2008-10-10T14:16:00.000-07:00

"You're either for free speech or you're not" - Krisboro (08/01/08)

"Free-speech advocate" Krisboro just, um... banned me:

Krisboro runs jackbloodforum.com, created for Jack Blood (although Jack has no control over it), that has become increasingly a joke. He advocates "free speech" over there, but bans people he disagrees with, yet allows trolls like Looger, Rob "piece of" Bishop, and stallion4 to go hog-wild with their immature comments, personal attacks, and even suggestions of killing one's self.

Case in point, No-Planer "Lord Tsukasa" had been reassured by admin Dr.No. that he was free to discuss NPT there:

you have got it right, you are free to discuss these ideas here,
without fear of being banned or censored ....

However a couple of months later and after repeated attacks by the trolls, Lord Tsukasa and a couple of No-Planers were banned by Krisboro for discussing NPT:

Reason given for ban: Don't need the hassle... You guys have your own place to dicuss your theories, I suggest you go there instead.

I had asked Krisboro to un-ban these No-Planers who were told that they were safe to discuss NPT. As expected, Krisboro said no. I then start suggesting that Jack Blood should not allow that forum who bans people after they are told they won't be and who allow trolls to go hog-wild to use his good name.

A couple of months ago, I had sent Krisboro a PM asking him to get rid of some of the trolls like "Looger" who seem to do nothing but attack and insult people. Krisboro then posted my Personal Message to him on the forum to try to show "HankXavier" that I'm not for "free speech":

From: Killtown [ Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:20 pm ]
To: krisboro

quasi says you're the Admin to come to.

Can you get rid of Looger? The guy is nothing but a troll. See in this thread:

"Anybody else always get banned on Prisonplanet forums?"

Would appreciate it.

First of all, Krisboro is right! I'm not for "free speech" on private truth forums. "Free speech" means that people can post personal attacks, slander people, be condescending, etc on a forum without fear of being banned. That kind of speech has been something I've always opposed to be allowed on truth forums.

In Krisboro's reply to my PM, he essentially says he won't ban people like "Looger" because he's an advocate of "free speech" and the forum he runs in Jack Blood's name is a place for "free speech":

Re: Looger

From: krisboro [ Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:32 am ]
To: Killtown

Hey man,
I'm not going to "get rid of" anyone, especially not a regular board member like Looger, just on the say so of you.
Looger happens to be a good friend of mine and is anything but a troll.
You cry all over web forums that you are censored and banned from forums for your opinion, but then you advocate I do the same on my board just because you don't like what he has to say?

Get real dude...

You're either for free speech or you're not (in which case you're in the wrong place)

Krisboro is being a hypocrite in ever sense of the word by claiming to be for "free speech," but then bans people for speech he doesn't like. As Krisboro himself said: "You're either for free speech or you're not."

But what's even more despicable than Krisboro's hypocrisy on free-speech is that he allows trolls to post the most vile thrash at the Jack Blood Forum.

Recently, No-Planer "sparkoflife" starts posting over there. Well-known troll Rob Bishop then replies to sparkoflife "Why... won't... you... people... die?!" along with a follow-up pic that advocates for him to commit suicide.

I then start a thread to show everyone how the forum has become a joke by censoring people for their theories, but tolerate trolls who suggest people like No-Planers should die (imagine the uproar by planehuggers if a No-Planer suggested that planehuggers should "die") and to call on Jack Blood to not let them use his good name, for such a joke of a forum, or to get new admins.

Admin "Dr. No." then responds by calling me "pathetic" and suggests that my standing up to the despicable admin over there is just one of my "little games." I called him out to explain what he thinks my "little game" is, but like a coward, he never does explain.

The funny thing is that you'd think the reason Krisboro banned me was because of me calling out his despicable actions as admin and calling for Jack Blood to disassociate with that forum if that's what kind of forum Kriboro is going to run in Jack's good name, but from the looks of it, Krisboro doesn't ban me for that, but for calling well-known troll Rob Bishop what he is; a POS. Go figure.

A plea to Jack Blood:

Jack, I urge you for the sake of your good name to do what you can to get mature and non-censoring admins to control that forum in your name, or to ask for your good name to not be associated with that forum that has become a joke.

See my banned from list.

TV Fakery test runs minutes before the live 2nd WTC hit?

2008-10-09T02:42:00.000-07:00

Helicopter in a hurry, or fake-ass helicopters?

2008-10-05T14:33:00.000-07:00

(Retraction on earlier post. New evidence coming soon...)

Guest on Kevin Barrett's show

2008-10-03T00:58:00.000-07:00

Guest on Jim Fetzer's show

2008-10-01T13:21:00.000-07:00

Alex Jones slanders No-Planers on Kevin Barrett show during call-in

2008-09-24T11:16:00.000-07:00

Listen to Alex's slander here

For the NPT impaired:

Why They Didn't Use Planes To Hit The WTC

CBS Prez warned in 2000 about fake plane crashes

2008-09-23T10:43:00.000-07:00

Just another huge coincidence that supports the theory that TV fakery was used on 9/11?

CBS Is Divided Over the Use Of False Images In Broadcasts

Published: January 13, 2000
New York Times

[Andrew Heyward, the president of CBS News,] said that he understood the argument against the use of the technology -- which is widely employed in sports and some entertainment shows -- on news programs. The danger is "that it looks too real and therefore it's wrong or potentially wrong," he said. "I certainly agree it's potentially subject to abuse."

He noted that advances in computer-generated techniques had made things like missiles hitting Baghdad and airplanes crashing look so real that it was incumbent on networks to underscore that these were not real images.

Accompanying video:

Hat tip to Newmex.

YouTube pulls two 'Flight 93 plume' videos

2008-09-22T13:38:00.000-07:00

Read about it here.

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Update 09/23/08:

Shure's forum PumpItOut gets pulled for "TOS violations."

"OMG!" - Hezarkhani audio fakery

2008-09-15T17:28:00.000-07:00

Hezarkhunning - 3 more clues...

2008-09-09T15:56:00.000-07:00

See also:

Archive of Fetzer show (Aug 19, 2008)

2008-09-08T10:50:00.000-07:00

Video link

Featured article:

Why They Didn't Use Planes To Hit The WTC

Featured videos:

Air vs. Skyscraper

The 2urists

Death threat from planehugger 'EzraPound'

2008-08-30T10:49:00.000-07:00

EzraPound 31 Aug 2008, 01:32 AM

KillTown, you would not ever want to be left alone in a room with me, along with Judy Wood, Reynolds, Fetzer, and half a dozen of your moron retard followers. You have done millions of hours damage to the 9/11 Truth movement's campaign to get the simple obvious reality of this day out to the wider public. You have prolonged the slaughter of now over a million Iraqi women and children. You have assisted these neocons to spread DU all over the middle-east which will result in increased cancers in the world. You have allowed 4000 US soldiers to be sent to their death. You have allowed 20,000 US soldiers to become sick from DU poisening.

You would not want be left in a room with me and an M16 in my hand and all you No-PLaners lined up against a wall. I know what I would do, and I would do it without blinking.

- 911oz.com (single post)

(Update)

'EzraPound' denies comment was a death threat. Says I'm "slandering" him (lol):

This is absolute slander. I never made a death threat. If KillTown is making any money from this false cry then I Ezra will have it.

(Update)

Ezra now tries to change what he meant:

I would leave the M16 in the room, and lock the door behind me for you No Planers to squabble over your ALien Lizard Orb Microwave Tiem-Machine 9/11 theories.

On The Dynamic Duo (Tuesday 19)

2008-08-18T13:12:00.000-07:00

(Update 09/08/08: Archive)

The Dynamic Duo

Host: Jim Fetzer

Tuesday Aug 19

4:00pm-6:00pm Central Time

Call In Number: 1-866-582-9933

Listen Live - Network 4

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Air vs. Skyscraper

The 2urists

Why They Didn't Use Planes To Hit The WTC

767's Wing Tips Made Of Pentanium Steel?

Michael Hezarkhani video

Shanksville: A Staged Crime Scene? - By Lisa Guliani

2008-08-10T17:03:00.000-07:00

August 10, 2008

On September 13, 2001, William Wendt, a Massachusetts freelance photographer on assignment for The New York Times Magazine, was arrested at the UA Flight 93 crash site, charged with criminal trespass for walking into a restricted zone, escorted to an unmarked car and whisked off to an undisclosed location, where he and assistant Daniel Mahoney were subsequently detained for several hours.

“It was not obvious where the plane had crashed, which is why we started walking around – to find it. We didn’t know we’d wandered onto part of the crash site because that area was unmarked by signs or crime scene tape.” He adds, “When we returned to take our photos, what struck me the most was that it seemed like I was photographing a staged crime scene. I’m a little hesitant to comment on it. Strange things happened that day.” So says William Wendt, in two separate telephone interviews conducted in August 2008.

According to Wendt, the media was required to first register at press tents and then wait to be ferried by bus to the Flight 93 impact zone. The press pool was made to wait long stretches of several hours for the bus, which only seated about 50 people. It made three or four trips back and forth, says Wendt, and that was it. The photographer recalls that the Feds created delays with the bus. “The media was pretty upset. Only a small percentage actually took the bus ride because most refused to wait around that long. There was an outcry from the press.”

Wendt and Mahoney never did get to ride that bus and, like the rest of the media present, were not allowed to get very close to the crater. “I spoke with people who came back from the bus ride. They came back to report that they were allowed a lousy vantage point – no vantage point. My colleagues kept telling me there wasn’t much to see and it wasn’t worth the wait. There was a pit, but no visible plane wreckage.” He likens their reactions to those of riders on overhyped amusement park rides – the media bus riders were clearly unimpressed with what they’d been shown.

“I remember a lot of talk amongst the press about the plane being in several pieces over a stretch of land. Yet the evidence seemed to suggest something else. People around me were saying that a fisherman had found a fuselage in a lake 8 miles away from the crater. There was a big buzz about that.”

Wendt also photographed Ground Zero and the Pentagon crash site. Regarding the Pentagon, Wendt says “I stopped the vehicle on the beltway, told my assistant to wait there and then I ran down the hillside. I had to jump over some fences, too. There was no way I was going to miss getting that shot. For me, it was the opportunity of a lifetime. The image I got was captured commando-style, and I’m surprised I didn’t get arrested doing that. Right off the bat, I was thinking there’s no way that a jetliner made that hole. I found it unbelievable that people were actually believing that’s what happened.”

When asked why he thinks the media is apparently disinterested in seeking truthful answers to the many questions swirling around 9/11, Wendt responds, “Maybe the media is too frightened to pursue it. Actually, I’m very surprised that they’ve failed to do this. I remember press people talking at the time about how the whole thing looked like an American-Israeli operation, like the Mossad had a hand in it. That was the word on the street. You want to know if I believe the government about what happened that day? Let’s just say there are all these stories that make you think one thing, but the brunt of what you see hits you and then common sense tells you it’s got to be something else. I think there’s been a cover-up.”

Wendt’s voice is tinged with sadness as he tells me, “9/11 was a turning point for this nation. I’m still haunted by it.”

This article was published in a special 9-11 edition of the American Free Press in 2008.

(Re-posted at Lisa Guliani's Facebook.)

Air vs. Skyscraper (video)

2008-07-23T02:15:00.000-07:00

Credit to Jim Fetzer and Joe Keith for idea for this video.

See also:

Air vs. Skyscraper (gif)

'Terrorcell' on Vyzygoth tonight talking about Susan McElwain seeing UAV in Shanksville

2008-07-22T13:14:00.000-07:00

Domenick DiMaggio (aka "Terrorcell") will be on Vyzygoth's Beyond the Grassy Knoll show tonight at 10:00-12:00 EST.

He will be discussing the smoking gun testimony of Shanksville resident Susan McElwain who witnessed a wing-less UAV flying over her minivan seconds before the alleged crash of Flight 93.

Full interview of Mrs. McElwain by Domenick DiMaggio:

Partial interview:

Susan McElwain: It was pure white, there wasn't any markings on it, there was no rivets. It was that close I would have seen them. It was so molded like it was all one piece... It was cylinder, it came back and this spoiler was across it.

Terrorcell: And there were no wings or...?

Susan: I did not see any wings.

Terrorcell: What do you think it was?

Susan: I can only go by what other people have said to me cuz at the time I thought it was a plane. But like that guy from California who mailed me a bunch of pictures and that guy from Bedford who sent me a bunch of pictures, they all said the same thing that it had to be a missile or an unmanned plane or something...

'New clues' in unsolved Jovin murder

2008-07-18T23:38:00.000-07:00

New Clues in Yale Student Murder

Investigators Release Sketch of Man Seen Near Where Suzanne Jovin's Body Was Found

July 3, 2008 — ABC

Shortly after the murder was reported, a local woman came forward claiming to have seen a man run in front of her car just half a mile from where Jovin's body was found. She had been driving slowly enough to get a look at his face and give a description to police.

The witness described a white male of medium height in his 20s or 30s, athletically built with blond to dark hair and sharp, chiseled facial features. Prosecutor James Clark in New Haven State's Attorney's Office, who inherited the case in 2000 after the former prosecutor became a judge, said the witness told authorities the man "was running pretty fast," which made her suspicious.

However, a source with knowledge of the case said the witness's information was disregarded at the time because investigators and the media were focused on Jovin's thesis adviser, who is no longer considered a suspect. The source called the decision to focus on the adviser a "fatal flaw" in the investigation.

The team, however, was very hesitant to make the sketch public, Clark said, because "this picture is not a portrait of anybody." That is why the police are not calling the depicted male a person of interest or a suspect.

Investigators seek the 'someone' Jovin referenced in hour before stabbing

Published Wednesday, July 16, 2008 -- yaledailynews.com

In its second revelation to the public in two weeks, a team of investigators probing the 1998 slaying of Yale College senior Suzanne Jovin has announced that it is seeking the identity of an individual to whom Jovin had lent GRE study materials — a potentially critical line of inquiry that lead investigator John Mannion said previous investigators on the case neglected to explore.

A mysterious, nondescript "someone," whom Jovin mentioned in an e-mail she sent less than an hour before she was found stabbed in New Haven's East Rock neighborhood, is the target of the Jovin Investigation Team's latest lead. But Mannion said there is nothing at this point to indicate that this “someone” is connected with the murder.

See also:

Yale student's '98 murder linked to 9/11?

Lawson uses 'deception, insidious innuendo, misdirection and lies' on eBay

2008-07-16T11:15:00.000-07:00

(Update 07/17/08: Sale of deceptively titled Lawson video canceled and pulled off eBay store account. See bottom of page.)

Anthony Lawson is a 10% truther because he spends most of his time trying to debunk September Clues because, as he puts it, Sept Clues is full of "deception, insidious innuendo, misdirection and lies."

I've been challenging him on his Sept Clues debunk attempt claims at Pilots For Truth forum (you'll have to log in), but he still refuses to back up his work (doesn't seem too confident in his work, does he?).

Now someone is selling a video on UK eBay they entitle "September Clues - 9/11 Conspiracy DVD" that looks like is the original September Clues when viewing the top section of the webpage:

However, when you scroll down to the second have of this item for sale, you see that it's not the original September Clues, but in fact Anthony Lawson's debunk attempt video:

SEPTEMBER CLUES

Exposing the deception, insidious innuendo, misdirection and lies in the “September Clues” series of videos, which many scholars and others have mistaken for the truth about some of the events that happened on that terrible day: September 11, 2001. Hopefully, this video will make them realise that they have been deliberately mislead. (By the author of "WTC7 - This is an Orange") Content: Where necessary, some of the shots in this video have been enlarged, slowed down, or have had indicators or stop motion techniques applied to them. No other visual manipulations or additions have been made.
ALL DVDS ARE COME IN PLASTIC SLEEVES.

THESE DVDS ARE NOT SOLD FOR PROFIT HENCE THEIR CHEAPNESS, THEY ARE SOLD ONLY AS A MEANS TO GET THIS SUPRESSED INFO OUT TO THE PUBLIC!

Lawson's debunk attempt video is called September Clues - Busted!, not September Clues.

It looks like Lawson (or whoever posted this item) was deliberately trying to mislead people in thinking it is the original September Clues because the original is also up for sale on UK eBay:

So who is guilty of "deception, insidious innuendo, misdirection and lies" now Lawson?

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Update:

Deceptively titled Lawson video at UK eBay canceled and pulled from its Conspiracy World DVDs store after being caught:

Original end time: 25-Jul-08 23:08:32 BST (9 days 4 hours)
Canceled: 16-Jul-08 23:58:20 BST

Hat tip: mason-free party.

Air vs. Skyscraper (gif)

2008-07-11T07:15:00.000-07:00

(Video used was the ABC/ESPN version of the Evan Fairbanks shot. Download gif.)

See also:

Air vs. Skyscraper (video)

Al Jazeera aired fake WTC 1 crash footage

2008-07-10T10:21:00.000-07:00

This video was not faked by the 9/11 perps, but most likely by Al Jazeera or related for their own use in their promo.

Source video.

Et tu, Bermas?

2008-07-09T14:34:00.000-07:00

On Tuesday's Alex Jones show, Jason Bermas was discussing details from the BBC's WTC 7 doku hit piece. Near the end (not recorded in the previous link), Bermas mentions that the BBC was promoting disinformation by showing a close-up clip of Nico Haupt wearing his "TV fakery" t-shirt (@ 57:06).

Bermas then proceeded to insult the idea that TV fakery was used on 9/11 to cover-up that no planes hit the WTC by calling it something like a ludicrous theory.

Ludicrous huh? Well better not tell Bermas that the military planned to use 'TV Fakery' since 1995 and the media had warned since 1999 about the military's use of it and how live TV broadcasts can be doctored.

And does Bermas really have any room to talk about certain theories being "ludicrous." How many times did he have to redo Loose Change again? And speaking of "ludicrous," what does he think hit the WTC? Watch the first 4 mins of Bermas' Loose Change I for a refresher course:

Bermas believes in the "Pod" theory; drone planes with a special "pod" fired a missile out of it into the Twin Towers a fraction of a second before impacted. I also believe he thinks these drones were outfitted with "special skin" and that's why the plane appears to "melt" into the facade without meeting any resistance.

The Pod theory has been criticized arguably as much as TV fakery by some in the truth movement and Bermas got so much flak about promoting the "pod" theory in Loose Change I, that he took it out of his 2nd edition.

I'm sure one reason Bermas thinks TV fakery is "ludicrous" is that he buys into the "thousands of witnesses" around the WTC saw the planes. Yet, I believe he still thinks no plane crashed into the Pentagon even though "hundreds of witnesses" near the Pentagon "saw it."

A while back I had asked Dylan Avery what he and Jason Bermas thought hit the WTC on the Mike Swenson show (@ 5:32) when they had him set to be the first caller to attack me. Dylan says he never answered my question because "there's much better things to do" (or something like that) and when I pressed him again his responses was "I don't know what hit the 2nd Tower."

Too bad Bermas has joined the haters club. I always thought he was pretty open-minded. Sad to see he's now towing the Alex Jones' "That's disinformation!" party line.

Hope you are getting paid well over there Jason.

BBC neglect key points in WTC 7 doku

2008-07-08T00:30:00.000-07:00

In the BBC's The Conspiracy Files: 9/11 - The Third Tower documentary (watch here), they fail to mention a few key points that you have to wonder why a major network like the BBC would do so if they went through all the time, trouble, and money to do a "thorough" documentary on the conspiracy theories about the WTC 7's unusual collapse.

1) The BBC neglected to show the unusual implosion of the East Penthouse on top of the WTC 7 seconds before the rest of the building imploded even after truther Richard Gage mentions it in the documentary.

(The about video clips were not shown in the BBC's documentary.
Red circle below is the East Penthouse on top of the WTC 7.)

"The Penthouse dropped and then the entire perimeter of the main building begins and goes straight down in 6 1/2 seconds which is virtually free-fall speed." - Richard Gage

What are the odds a Penthouse on top of a skyscraper implodes seconds before the rest of the building does?

2) They neglected to find out (or mention if they knew) who was the alleged fire department commander who Larry Silverstein uttered his most infamous phrase to.

"I remember getting a call from the, uh, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'You know we've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is, is pull it.' Uh, and they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse." - Larry Silverstein

How odd is it that years after Larry's infamous "pull it" remark, we still don't know who this fire department commander who allegedly called him was?

NOTE: The BBC shows FDNY Fire Chief Daniel Nigro after mentioning Larry's infamous "pull it" comment which makes it seem like the BBC is implying that Chief Nigro was the one who allegedly called Larry on 9/11, however in an email response, Chief Nigro says it wasn't him.

See also:

WTC 7 vs. Controlled Demolition

2008-07-07T00:12:00.000-07:00

(Link - Video)

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck...

WTC 7 collapse videos (New Page)

2008-07-04T16:44:00.000-07:00

A few animated gifs from the different videos of the WTC 7 collapse:

http://killtown.911review.org/wtc7/videos.html

Michael Hezarkhani a board member at Giuliani Partners???

2008-06-28T10:11:00.000-07:00

(Update 06/30/08)

Hezarkhani is not a board member according to Giuliani Partners' communications director:

Thank you very much for calling this to our attention. Mr. Michael Hezarkhani is NOT on the board of Giuliani Partners.

Sunny Mindel
Communications Director
Giuliani Partners
5 Times Square
New York, NY 10036
212 931 7392

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Michael Hezarkhani
5 Times Sq
New York, NY 10036-6523
(212) 931-7300

Job title: Board Member

Company: Giuliani Partners

whitepages.com

Alleged video Michael Hezarkhani took on 9/11:

Shure posted WhitePages find.

The 2urists

2008-06-26T16:24:00.001-07:00

Why Use Real Planes?

2008-06-05T15:59:00.000-07:00

2 hour interview on Dynamic-Duo (THURSDAY)

2008-06-05T14:40:00.000-07:00

The Dynamic Duo

Host: Jim Fetzer

Thursday 4:00pm-6:00pm Central Time

Listen Live (NETWORK 4)

Discussion:

Why They Didn't Use Planes To Hit The WTC

(WTC crash video collection)

Hoodwinked at Shanksville

Call In Number: 1-866-582-9933

gcnlive.com

Hour interview on Vyzygoth (WEDNESDAY)

2008-06-04T11:25:00.000-07:00

(Update: mp3 archive)

Wednesday, June 4th. 4-5 pm ET (1-2 pm PT)

Hour 2: Killtown on the
Fairy Tail, The Little Engine that Couldn’t, and Back in Black Boxes
(The topics that got me thrown off BlahTalkRadio)
http://hoodwinkedatshanksville.blogspot.com

Call in: 888-333-9009

http://www.vyzygoth.com

http://www.beyondthegrassyknoll.com

E-mail: vyzygoth@hotmail.com or vyzygoth@verizon.net

IM: MSN vyzygoth

Click here to listen

Banned at Sherdog forum

2008-05-30T11:47:00.000-07:00

Well add one more place to the list of troll-ridden forums with mods that don't follow their own rules.

I created a thread at one of my favorite MMA sites, Sherdog, about my article Why They Didn't Use Planes To Hit The WTC in the appropriate political section called The War Room:

Gun-toting neocon? Tree-hugging lib? Duke it out in the War Room.

After posting it, the trolls came out of the woodworks:

"go into the kitchen, grab a steak knife and stab yourself in both testicles." - IrishBeatDown

"Some people are dumb enough to have a talent for completely disregarding solid evidence in favor of asinine theories." - AlphaDelphic

"killtown get you a piece of toilet paper. put it on top of your head. look in the mirror and say. im a peice of dirt im a piece of dirt. till ya relize its so" - smasheroffaces

"Killtown also belongs to the flat earth society." - bruce_campbell

After 7 pages of insults by the trolls, a mod there moved my thread to their hidden section, The Dump, without explanation. It's unknown if they moved it there because of all the trolls, or for political reasons. If they moved it there because it became infested with trolls, sad that the mods caved into the trolls and moved my thread instead of "moving" them.

I then started another thread in The War Room about Simon Shack's video, Nosed Out:

It ended up in The Dump too after, to no one's surprise, the trolls came a trollin':

"your retarded, so was 9-11 faked so bush junior could finish what his father started then? god i hate conspiricy theorists." - Nothus

"A laughing matter...much like ALL of your bullshit theories." - Jackson81

"I think the "TV Fakery" folk are the A-grade of 911 Truther retard. " - Ruprecht

It even brought out a planehugging truther:

"People, when I claim to be a 9/11 Truther, don't immediately group me in with the threadstarter and his crazy fucking friends." - Jin-Roh

(No, Genghis isn't my friend anymore.)

And then, you guessed it:

Sad to see Sherdog helps to feed the stereotype that fighting fans are mostly close-minded, reactionary, meat-heads. Well, I'll still love the sport of MMA regardless.

And the list of censoring sites keeps growing, and growing, and...